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Accurate takedown rifle #8765783 04/10/14 Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa L luvmycz OP Campfire Greenhorn OP luvmycz Campfire Greenhorn L Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa Looking for suggestions for an accurate take down rifle. Recently went on a trip, and it took a lot of effort to find a case that would fit one of my hunting rifles and stay within the airlines ridiculous weight and size restrictions. I now have another reason to buy another rifle...happy happy. I'm looking for a rifle that can break down and be put back together with a scope that will hold zero. I'm looking at the contender series, nef/hr etc. I can't afford anything like the Wild West lever actions. Any suggestions?

Re: Accurate takedown rifle luvmycz #8766153 04/10/14 Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,665 S.W. Wis L LEADMINER Campfire Regular LEADMINER Campfire Regular L Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,665 S.W. Wis I have a Contender carbine that meets your criteria but the Encore might give you more options for higher intensity rounds. I like Savage 99's like the G in 303 or 300 Savage but have receiver sights rather than scopes. Have you considered pulling the stock to fit barreled action and stock into a takedown case. This might require a bit of attention to bedding to make re-assembly more consistent. I thought about this with a 98 Mauser and I believe gun writer Jon Sundra or possibly Finn Aagaard wrote about this option a number of years ago. True takedown bolt guns will be a custom proposition and very pricey. Just my thoughts. Bruce

Re: Accurate takedown rifle LEADMINER #8766353 04/10/14 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,119 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,119 Texas Single Shot Merkel k1 or k3 or Blaser k model (not pictured) Repeater Blaser R93 or r98 Both break down and re-assemble quickly. No tools on the Merkel. Allen wrench on the Blaser. The scopes with the Recknagel mount on the Merkel and the saddle mount on the Blaser return to zero every time. With the Blaser you can get cases that will fit two scoped barrels and one stock. Or a Pelican case with pick and pull foam would be a less expensive option if your rifle of choice did not come with a case. Best, GWB A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle geedubya #8766828 04/10/14 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,404 B bobmn Campfire Regular bobmn Campfire Regular B Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,404 Blaser is the best option but very pricey. When alpine hunting where there are no bears (New Zealand), I use a T/C Contender in 308 Bellm. 300 Savage performance in a 5 pound package. The Encore is at least a pound heavier. Where bears are a concern, T/C Dimension. Any conventional bolt action rifle can be removed from the stock. However, most stocks are 31 1/2 inches long and this method requires reassembly with a torque wrench on the other end and sighting in to confirm zero. There are numerous custom gunsmiths who offer takedown conversions where the barrel unscrews from the action and the stock is cut off at this junction. This results in a shorter broken down overall length but these conversions are $800 - $1000 over the cost of the firearm.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle geedubya #8767268 04/10/14 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 874 Tampa Bay Area, FL M masrx Campfire Regular masrx Campfire Regular M Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 874 Tampa Bay Area, FL Originally Posted by geedubya Single Shot Merkel k1 or k3 or Blaser k model (not pictured) Man Geedubya.....I enjoy your taste in firearms! To the OP.....a less expensive alternative could be a takedown BLR. Repeater Blaser R93 or r98 Both break down and re-assemble quickly. No tools on the Merkel. Allen wrench on the Blaser. The scopes with the Recknagel mount on the Merkel and the saddle mount on the Blaser return to zero every time. With the Blaser you can get cases that will fit two scoped barrels and one stock. Or a Pelican case with pick and pull foam would be a less expensive option if your rifle of choice did not come with a case. Best, GWB

Re: Accurate takedown rifle masrx #8767275 04/10/14 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida An AR. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Accurate takedown rifle deflave #8767279 04/10/14 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,829 South East Missouri tedthorn Campfire Outfitter tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,829 South East Missouri Funny but my AR is my most accurate take down rifle hands down Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

Re: Accurate takedown rifle luvmycz #8767300 04/10/14 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,896 Montana P prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,896 Montana My properly bedded bolt action rifles stay zeroed or not far from it (say within a few inches at 100 yards) when the stock is removed and replaced. Makes all my rifles into takedowns.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle prairie_goat #8767318 04/10/14 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,119 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,119 Texas AR's are accurate no doubt. But most don't come in blue steel and wood are not a pleasure to carry or balance in the hand Just don't see many in 6.5 x 55 7 x 57R 7 x 61 7 mag 7 STW 30-06 30 Blaser 300 H&H 300 Win Mag 300 Weatherby Mag 338 Win Mag 9.3 x 62 9.3 x 74R 375 H&H 416 Rem Mag just sayin' Best, GWB Last edited by geedubya; 04/10/14. A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle geedubya #8767375 04/10/14 Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,562 G ghostrider272 Campfire Regular ghostrider272 Campfire Regular G Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,562 My Blaser K95 is pretty sweet. I'd say my Blaser R8 or Contenders work well too.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle geedubya #8767382 04/10/14 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 773 Anchorage, AK J Josh Sorensen Campfire Regular Josh Sorensen Campfire Regular J Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 773 Anchorage, AK I would definitely opt for the Encore. Light, handy, and have proven to be very accurate. I have one in 22-250, 30/06, and 209x50 muzzle loader that I regularly travel with back to michigan. IT has accounted for more than its share of whitetails.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Josh Sorensen #8767493 04/10/14 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,880 CA, USA US_Patriot Campfire Regular US_Patriot Campfire Regular Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,880 CA, USA I had the Browning BLR Lightweight. And it was accurate, reasonably priced, and a nice take-down... "Then join in hand, brave Americans all!.....By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall"

Re: Accurate takedown rifle tedthorn #8767515 04/10/14 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by tedthorn Funny but my AR is my most accurate take down rifle hands down Yes sir. I wasn't joking. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Accurate takedown rifle US_Patriot #8767524 04/10/14 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,926 Louisiana C Canazes9 Campfire Regular Canazes9 Campfire Regular C Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,926 Louisiana Originally Posted by US_Patriot I had the Browning BLR Lightweight. And it was accurate, reasonably priced, and a nice take-down... Nice! David

Re: Accurate takedown rifle deflave #8767625 04/10/14 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,829 South East Missouri tedthorn Campfire Outfitter tedthorn Campfire Outfitter Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 10,829 South East Missouri Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by tedthorn Funny but my AR is my most accurate take down rifle hands down Yes sir. I wasn't joking. Travis That's fine......I was not Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper

Re: Accurate takedown rifle tedthorn #8780945 04/15/14 Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa L luvmycz OP Campfire Greenhorn OP luvmycz Campfire Greenhorn L Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa Thank you for the suggestions. I think the blr is an excellent option. The other rifles are just too expensive. I'm even considering a marlin 336 in .308 marlin express. Taking the butt stock off seems to be a viable option.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle luvmycz #8780999 04/15/14 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Originally Posted by luvmycz Looking for suggestions for an accurate take down rifle. Recently went on a trip, and it took a lot of effort to find a case that would fit one of my hunting rifles and stay within the airlines ridiculous weight and size restrictions. I now have another reason to buy another rifle...happy happy. I'm looking for a rifle that can break down and be put back together with a scope that will hold zero. I'm looking at the contender series, nef/hr etc. I can't afford anything like the Wild West lever actions. Any suggestions? Slap a Remington 700 into a properly bedded stock and a minute with an allen wrench and you have 2 pieces. It works. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Steelhead #8781049 04/15/14 Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa L luvmycz OP Campfire Greenhorn OP luvmycz Campfire Greenhorn L Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa oh? Now that is something I didn't think I could do. Love that idea.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle luvmycz #8781070 04/15/14 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,368 Idaho D drover Campfire Tracker drover Campfire Tracker D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,368 Idaho What Steelhead said. It does work - mine will come back to within 1/2 of the previous group, close enough for hunting big game. drover 223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers. 24hourcampfire.com - The site where there is a problem for every solution.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Steelhead #8781114 04/15/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 T Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 Originally Posted by Steelhead Originally Posted by luvmycz Looking for suggestions for an accurate take down rifle. Recently went on a trip, and it took a lot of effort to find a case that would fit one of my hunting rifles and stay within the airlines ridiculous weight and size restrictions. I now have another reason to buy another rifle...happy happy. I'm looking for a rifle that can break down and be put back together with a scope that will hold zero. I'm looking at the contender series, nef/hr etc. I can't afford anything like the Wild West lever actions. Any suggestions? Slap a Remington 700 into a properly bedded stock and a minute with an allen wrench and you have 2 pieces. It works. An H&S stock with it's bedding block and the GI type 65in/lb torque wrench is a LOT more durable/repeatable

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8781135 04/15/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado Am I the only one who's never had a problem checking a rifle in a full-length gun case? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle smokepole #8781154 04/15/14 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,761 west of the Chesapeake Bay D doctor_Encore Campfire Outfitter doctor_Encore Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,761 west of the Chesapeake Bay I have a Encore with a sporter weight barrel in 250/3000 with Leopold "QR" quick release rings I travel with in a over/under take down case. Just plain works. Doc

Re: Accurate takedown rifle smokepole #8781157 04/15/14 Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa L luvmycz OP Campfire Greenhorn OP luvmycz Campfire Greenhorn L Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa No. I didn't have a problem after a LOT of searching and weighing of cases to meet the airline's requirements. So going forward I want to explore my choices. I won't let $200 stop me from taking a hunting trip, but I don't just want to hand it over to the airlines either. (United charges an extra $100 each way for oversize and/or overweight rifle cases). So, if I get a nice set up out of my questions and experimentation I win, or rather anyone who reads this thread may win. Last edited by luvmycz; 04/15/14.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle luvmycz #8781187 04/15/14 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,626 Atlanta G gahuntertom Campfire Tracker gahuntertom Campfire Tracker G Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,626 Atlanta my only take down rifle is a Sarer 202, my 202 is an older standard weight in a McMillian stock. It's a 25'06 & will shoot 1/2-3/4" groups. A good used 1 cost around $1,200.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle luvmycz #8781253 04/15/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado Ah, the baggage fees, thanks for the explanation. I've flown enough miles that I don't have to pay those, hence the question. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle smokepole #8781260 04/15/14 Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa L luvmycz OP Campfire Greenhorn OP luvmycz Campfire Greenhorn L Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa np

Re: Accurate takedown rifle bobmn #8781365 04/15/14 Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,834 To Close to Milwaukee; To Far ... WiFowler Campfire Tracker WiFowler Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,834 To Close to Milwaukee; To Far ... Originally Posted by bobmn Blaser is the best option but very pricey. +1 on the Blaser. Pricey - yes; Very Pricey - yes, if you MUST hast all the bells, whistles and glitz. JMHO. I recently 'treated' myself to a Blaser R8 Pro and a couple extra barrels. In the little time that I've had to it, all I can say is it's are boringly accurate - regardless of which barrel is installed. I never thought I'd grow up to be a grumpy old man, but I did, and I'm killin' it.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle WiFowler #8781379 04/15/14 Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa L luvmycz OP Campfire Greenhorn OP luvmycz Campfire Greenhorn L Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa The blaser sounds great

Re: Accurate takedown rifle luvmycz #8781504 04/15/14 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 I'd do it with a McMillan, a good synthetic is gonna be less of a problem. Make sure it's bedded so it always returns the same. Doing an exact torque every time can't hurt, but my hand torque wrenchanometer has worked well. Ain't nothing to fire a round or 3 when you get to where you are going. Screw all that single shot crap, pull the stock off a bolt action and have at it. "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Steelhead #8781517 04/15/14 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida I agree with SH. The rifles I own that are bedded in McMillans never need adjustment when I put them back together. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Accurate takedown rifle deflave #8781633 04/15/14 Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 7,731 Alabama 4 444Matt Campfire Outfitter 444Matt Campfire Outfitter 4 Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 7,731 Alabama Yup a properly bedded McMillan if it has to be a bolt action, other options are the mentioned take down BLRs Marlin 336s and Savage 99s

Re: Accurate takedown rifle 444Matt #8786193 04/17/14 Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa L luvmycz OP Campfire Greenhorn OP luvmycz Campfire Greenhorn L Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa Well, as much as I would like a new rifle I like what I have. I'll pull the stock off my Zastava, and see what's what. Thank you for all the suggestions.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8786390 04/17/14 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,132 S.W. Wis. aalf Campfire Ranger aalf Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,132 S.W. Wis. Originally Posted by Take_a_knee Originally Posted by Steelhead Slap a Remington 700 into a properly bedded stock and a minute with an allen wrench and you have 2 pieces. It works. An H&S stock with it's bedding block and the GI type 65in/lb torque wrench is a LOT more durable/repeatable That's a full load of schitt.....

Re: Accurate takedown rifle aalf #8786629 04/17/14 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 No, HE'S a full load of schitt.... "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Steelhead #8786692 04/17/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 T Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 Originally Posted by Steelhead No, HE'S a full load of schitt.... Kill yourself.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle aalf #8786702 04/17/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 T Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 Originally Posted by aalf Originally Posted by Take_a_knee Originally Posted by Steelhead Slap a Remington 700 into a properly bedded stock and a minute with an allen wrench and you have 2 pieces. It works. An H&S stock with it's bedding block and the GI type 65in/lb torque wrench is a LOT more durable/repeatable That's a full load of schitt..... How many parachute jumps have you made with your trusty mickey stocks, [bleep]? The SOTIC committee at Ft Bragg got tired of re-bedding mickey HTG's after the mandatory FTX parachute infill in the course. It helps to actually know WTF you are talking about when you post.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8786726 04/17/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado Originally Posted by Take_a_knee How many parachute jumps have you made with your trusty mickey stocks, [bleep]? We're talking commercial airliners here champ. What have you done that got you kicked off, mid-flight? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8786731 04/17/14 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,132 S.W. Wis. aalf Campfire Ranger aalf Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,132 S.W. Wis. Originally Posted by Take_a_knee It helps to actually know WTF you are talking about when you post. Epic....

Re: Accurate takedown rifle smokepole #8786742 04/17/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 T Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by Take_a_knee How many parachute jumps have you made with your trusty mickey stocks, [bleep]? We're talking commercial airliners here champ. What have you done that got you kicked off, mid-flight? My assertion stands, and I have proof of its veracity. The OP asked for something that would return to zero. The US Army chose what it chose for a reason. The H&S block doesn't "shoot out" or need replacement. Hell, one even withstood being dropped from 800ft when some dumbazz unhooked his lowering line instead of just lowering it. The rifle/stock was still intact.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8786786 04/17/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado Yup, and as soon as the OP starts jumping out of aircraft, the veracity of your assertion will mean something. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle smokepole #8786805 04/17/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 T Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 Originally Posted by smokepole Yup, and as soon as the OP starts jumping out of aircraft, the veracity of your assertion will mean something. Smoke, I really don't think you are that stupid, but I've been wrong before...

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8786829 04/17/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado Well, I do think you're that stupid, as far as mentioning SOTIC whenever any question comes up, as if the standards for SOTIC apply across the board. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle smokepole #8786833 04/17/14 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,896 Montana P prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,896 Montana The Corps used Mcmillans on the M40A1 for years. I've never heard of them having problems with rezeroing after a jump (at least any more than other rifles). If there was an issue, the Death From Afar books would have covered it.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8786844 04/17/14 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by Take_a_knee My assertion stands, and I have proof of its veracity. Laughin' my ass off... Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Accurate takedown rifle deflave #8786860 04/17/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 T Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by Take_a_knee My assertion stands, and I have proof of its veracity. Laughin' my ass off... Travis That'll give you something to do for quite a while.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle prairie_goat #8786871 04/17/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 T Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 Originally Posted by prairie_goat The Corps used Mcmillans on the M40A1 for years. I've never heard of them having problems with rezeroing after a jump (at least any more than other rifles). If there was an issue, the Death From Afar books would have covered it. Those morons wouldn't know an accurate rifle if they found one. Chandler has run his mouth about what a POS H&S stocks are for 25 years. He's clueless. Most of the rifles he builds, and charges and arm and a leg for, won't shoot MOA. I'd consider another source if I were you. How many gyrines are jumpin M40's? They don't do it in their course. Anglico doesn't. The next time I work with some recon/MARSOC types I will certainly ask them about their experience.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle smokepole #8786891 04/17/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 T Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 Originally Posted by smokepole Well, I do think you're that stupid, as far as mentioning SOTIC whenever any question comes up, as if the standards for SOTIC apply across the board. Yes, that makes perfect sense, I understand perfectly now. The experience of shooting rifles (remington 700) with stocks many here own, at Ft. Bragg, belongs in some other-worldly time-warp parallel universe. Thanks for clearing that up....dumbazz.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8786904 04/17/14 Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 29,786 Land of milk and honey...for s... J JSTUART Campfire Ranger JSTUART Campfire Ranger J Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 29,786 Land of milk and honey...for s... Knee, it is not what you say...it is how you say it. You have the same approach as TRH, Barak, and Eremicus, in that the information is pertinent but the delivery seriously sucks. ps, please change your angle before you are mistaken for that 99 twit. These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle aalf #8786922 04/17/14 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,132 S.W. Wis. aalf Campfire Ranger aalf Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,132 S.W. Wis. TAK's leaked home movie.....

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8786943 04/17/14 Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,668 Ka., USA O Oheremicus Campfire Regular Oheremicus Campfire Regular O Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,668 Ka., USA Actually, the complaints about the aluminium bedding block stocks are based on the fact that some of them have had serious problems with both loss of accuracy and/or zero shifts due to temperature changes. It occurs because the alloy bedding blocks have a much different response to temperature changes than that of fiber glass, graphite, etc. used in the production of these stocks. Not all of them do however. The figures I have are 60% have some problems. McMillain stocks do work as Steelhead has reported. I have done it several times and never had a zero shift. But, they also can have problems when bedding material gets lost, etc. from being removed and replaced many times over the years. However, apparently even the old M40A1 stocks are still doing well. I saw one in action at my local range doing it's thing. E

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8786948 04/17/14 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,896 Montana P prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,896 Montana Originally Posted by Take_a_knee Originally Posted by prairie_goat The Corps used Mcmillans on the M40A1 for years. I've never heard of them having problems with rezeroing after a jump (at least any more than other rifles). If there was an issue, the Death From Afar books would have covered it. Those morons wouldn't know an accurate rifle if they found one. Chandler has run his mouth about what a POS H&S stocks are for 25 years. He's clueless. Most of the rifles he builds, and charges and arm and a leg for, won't shoot MOA. I'd consider another source if I were you. How many gyrines are jumpin M40's? They don't do it in their course. Anglico doesn't. The next time I work with some recon/MARSOC types I will certainly ask them about their experience. Got it. The Marine Corps doesn't know anything about accurate rifles. Learn something new everyday.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle aalf #8787036 04/17/14 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 550 W Walker6 Campfire Regular Walker6 Campfire Regular W Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 550 Originally Posted by aalf TAK's leaked home movie..... By about the tenth loop I was laughing tears... El Gallo del Muerto

Re: Accurate takedown rifle prairie_goat #8787039 04/17/14 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 4,597 North VA A AH64guy Campfire Tracker AH64guy Campfire Tracker A Joined: May 2009 Posts: 4,597 North VA Originally Posted by prairie_goat The Corps used Mcmillans on the M40A1 for years. I've never heard of them having problems with rezeroing after a jump (at least any more than other rifles). If there was an issue, the Death From Afar books would have covered it. They are still using McMillans.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8787050 04/17/14 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by Take_a_knee He's clueless. Most of the rifles he builds, and charges and arm and a leg for, won't shoot MOA. Sounds like your Kimber. Whoops.... Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8787057 04/17/14 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by Take_a_knee Yes, that makes perfect sense, I understand perfectly now. The experience of shooting rifles (remington 700) with stocks many here own, at Ft. Bragg, belongs in some other-worldly time-warp parallel universe. Thanks for clearing that up....dumbazz. The Green Bereeeets, the Green Bereeeets. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8787294 04/17/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado Originally Posted by Take_a_knee Yes, that makes perfect sense, I understand perfectly now. It's abundantly obvious that you don't, but keep trying, you may get there. Some day. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle prairie_goat #8787327 04/17/14 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by prairie_goat Originally Posted by Take_a_knee Originally Posted by prairie_goat The Corps used Mcmillans on the M40A1 for years. I've never heard of them having problems with rezeroing after a jump (at least any more than other rifles). If there was an issue, the Death From Afar books would have covered it. Those morons wouldn't know an accurate rifle if they found one. Chandler has run his mouth about what a POS H&S stocks are for 25 years. He's clueless. Most of the rifles he builds, and charges and arm and a leg for, won't shoot MOA. I'd consider another source if I were you. How many gyrines are jumpin M40's? They don't do it in their course. Anglico doesn't. The next time I work with some recon/MARSOC types I will certainly ask them about their experience. Got it. The Marine Corps doesn't know anything about accurate rifles. Learn something new everyday. This alone proves much about TAK. Contrast him with Mackay_Sagebrush and MontanaMarine. Both of them have the credentials, published and proven, the pics and details, and the demeanor of those that had BT/DT, many times over. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8787483 04/17/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado Originally Posted by Take_a_knee The experience of shooting rifles (remington 700) with stocks many here own, at Ft. Bragg, belongs in some other-worldly time-warp parallel universe. Thanks for clearing that up....dumbazz. Since it's obviously still not clear to you, let me clarify. This post of yours below is what I was commenting on: Originally Posted by Take_a_knee How many parachute jumps have you made with your trusty mickey stocks, [bleep]? The SOTIC committee at Ft Bragg got tired of re-bedding mickey HTG's after the mandatory FTX parachute infill in the course. It helps to actually know WTF you are talking about when you post. And since it's probably still not clear to you, the OP won't be taking that particular course so your quote above has absolutely no relevance. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle smokepole #8787705 04/17/14 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Nothing TAK posts has any relevance. He's completely FOS. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Accurate takedown rifle deflave #8787758 04/17/14 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,132 S.W. Wis. aalf Campfire Ranger aalf Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,132 S.W. Wis. His new jump weapon......

Re: Accurate takedown rifle luvmycz #8788099 04/17/14 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,735 Minnesocialism B bigwhoop Campfire Ranger bigwhoop Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,735 Minnesocialism Originally Posted by luvmycz Looking for suggestions for an accurate take down rifle. Recently went on a trip, and it took a lot of effort to find a case that would fit one of my hunting rifles and stay within the airlines ridiculous weight and size restrictions. I now have another reason to buy another rifle...happy happy. I'm looking for a rifle that can break down and be put back together with a scope that will hold zero. I'm looking at the contender series, nef/hr etc. I can't afford anything like the Wild West lever actions. Any suggestions? Anticipating another hell-bound thread, I ignored all the former talk and will say this. After I brought a full length gun case to Alaska in 2000, I swore never again. I didn't as my last 5 trips were with rifles that could easily be "broken down". The rifles cases were pouch shorter and easier to transport. The rifles I brought were a Kimber Talkeetna, Kimber 8400 and a Kimber 84L. All three rifles were apart in about a minute with an Allen wrench spinning off two hex headed screws. The rifles were tested at the range 5-6 times to make sure they would return to zero. So you don't need another rifle, just modify yours with hex heads and bring two Allen wrenches. Last edited by bigwhoop; 04/17/14. My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle luvmycz #8788151 04/17/14 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,705 R Rovering Campfire Regular Rovering Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,705 Cartridges chambered are limited, but the 94 Trails Ends look good, are not too heavy, and breakdown into a compact size. http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=003C&mid=534191 I'm waffling between one of these and a BLR to fit in the boxes on the motorcycle. Last edited by Rovering; 04/17/14.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Rovering #8788284 04/17/14 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by Rovering Cartridges chambered are limited, but the 94 Trails Ends look good, are not too heavy, and breakdown into a compact size. http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=003C&mid=534191 I'm waffling between one of these and a BLR to fit in the boxes on the motorcycle. Is that an antique? What does the loop thing on the bottom do? Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Accurate takedown rifle deflave #8788501 04/17/14 Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,705 R Rovering Campfire Regular Rovering Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,705 Originally Posted by deflave Originally Posted by Rovering Cartridges chambered are limited, but the 94 Trails Ends look good, are not too heavy, and breakdown into a compact size. http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=003C&mid=534191 I'm waffling between one of these and a BLR to fit in the boxes on the motorcycle. Is that an antique? What does the loop thing on the bottom do? Travis My guess is a funky new shape of bolt handle. You know people use some weird things, from dainty little bits of silverware to shifters International Harvester discarded decades ago as too large for 2 1/2 ton ag trucks.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle prairie_goat #8788779 04/17/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 T Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 Originally Posted by prairie_goat Originally Posted by Take_a_knee Originally Posted by prairie_goat The Corps used Mcmillans on the M40A1 for years. I've never heard of them having problems with rezeroing after a jump (at least any more than other rifles). If there was an issue, the Death From Afar books would have covered it. Those morons wouldn't know an accurate rifle if they found one. Chandler has run his mouth about what a POS H&S stocks are for 25 years. He's clueless. Most of the rifles he builds, and charges and arm and a leg for, won't shoot MOA. I'd consider another source if I were you. How many gyrines are jumpin M40's? They don't do it in their course. Anglico doesn't. The next time I work with some recon/MARSOC types I will certainly ask them about their experience. Got it. The Marine Corps doesn't know anything about accurate rifles. Learn something new everyday. No dipschidt, your "death from afar" fellow dipschidts, the Chandler bros. Quantico SS grads are some trigger pullin muldoons.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle smokepole #8788789 04/17/14 Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 T Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter Take_a_knee Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 13,860 Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by Take_a_knee How many parachute jumps have you made with your trusty mickey stocks, [bleep]? The SOTIC committee at Ft Bragg got tired of re-bedding mickey HTG's after the mandatory FTX parachute infill in the course. It helps to actually know WTF you are talking about when you post. And since it's probably still not clear to you, the OP won't be taking that particular course so your quote above has absolutely no relevance. Yeah, it was pretty clear to me before being subjected to your dumbazz post he wouldn't be attending SOTIC and in and of itself is extraneous and had zilch to do with the OP's question. M24's typically are padded and rigged to a parachute harness inside an M1950 weapons case and lowered on a lowering line about 200ft AGL. The rifle hits the ground at near the velocity it would achieve from being tossed over a 10ft wall, every jump. The H&S stocks withstand this repeatedly and hold zero. I know your gray-headed azz remembers the Samsonite gorilla commercial. I guess that wouldn't be pertinent either, using your silly-azzed logic, or lack thereof.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8789056 04/18/14 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Nice to see someone that finally makes Lee24 appear credible "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8789187 04/18/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado Originally Posted by Take_a_knee M24's typically are padded and rigged to a parachute harness inside an M1950 weapons case and lowered on a lowering line about 200ft AGL. The rifle hits the ground at near the velocity it would achieve from being tossed over a 10ft wall, every jump. The H&S stocks withstand this repeatedly and hold zero. An armored Humvee can deflect small arms fire, drive right over obstacles that would high-center my truck, and run over stuff that would flatten my tires and keep on going. I could drive the 1.7 miles to work in an armored Humvee if I wanted to. But I don't. Do you? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Take_a_knee #8789341 04/18/14 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,896 Montana P prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,896 Montana Originally Posted by Take_a_knee Originally Posted by prairie_goat Originally Posted by Take_a_knee Originally Posted by prairie_goat The Corps used Mcmillans on the M40A1 for years. I've never heard of them having problems with rezeroing after a jump (at least any more than other rifles). If there was an issue, the Death From Afar books would have covered it. Those morons wouldn't know an accurate rifle if they found one. Chandler has run his mouth about what a POS H&S stocks are for 25 years. He's clueless. Most of the rifles he builds, and charges and arm and a leg for, won't shoot MOA. I'd consider another source if I were you. How many gyrines are jumpin M40's? They don't do it in their course. Anglico doesn't. The next time I work with some recon/MARSOC types I will certainly ask them about their experience. Got it. The Marine Corps doesn't know anything about accurate rifles. Learn something new everyday. No dipschidt, your "death from afar" fellow dipschidts, the Chandler bros. Quantico SS grads are some trigger pullin muldoons. Roy Chandler ran a sniper school in Korea, and was a member of Army level rifle and pistol teams. Norm won the Pershing Trophy in 1978. The Chandlers clearly don't know anything about shooting or accurate rifles.....

Re: Accurate takedown rifle prairie_goat #8789415 04/18/14 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,241 Northern Louisiana JPro Campfire Ranger JPro Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,241 Northern Louisiana +1 on the well-bedded bolt action idea. When I was a teenager, I didn't know about "return to zero". I would often take my rifles out of their stocks for cleaning, then bolt them back together tight and go hunting. They were 700's that had been bedded to good stocks, so I never had any problems. I did have the sense to notice if mag boxes were binding and things hadn't gone back together correctly. Now with even more aplomb

Re: Accurate takedown rifle prairie_goat #8789418 04/18/14 Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa L luvmycz OP Campfire Greenhorn OP luvmycz Campfire Greenhorn L Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 31 SE Pa Thank you for all of the replies. The scenic route the discussion takes once in a while is entertaining as well.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle luvmycz #8790730 04/18/14 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,828 East Haddam, CT gmsemel Campfire Tracker gmsemel Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,828 East Haddam, CT Well this turned into a Monkey Feces throwing fight. I shoot a Blaser R-93, have done so for the last 8 years now. its a very good rifle, and the R-8's are even better. "Any idiot can face a crisis,it's the day-to-day living that wears you out." Anton Chekhov

Re: Accurate takedown rifle gmsemel #8790777 04/18/14 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida I already posted this in the gunwriters forum, but it may have some value here. This action was re-barreled from a .223 AI to a vanilla and it came back to me yesterday. Before taking it apart I marked the rings and scope. Removed everything from the barreled action and sent it off. After getting it back I put everything back on, and this was the first three shots with the ammo I was previously using to fire form with the AI barrel. That was only two clicks off center. That's with removing the scope, rings/bases, stock, being mailed to another state, returning with a new barrel, no torque wrench, etc... So... yeah. A proper bedding job on a McMillan works wonders. I'm sure you'd get the same results with stocks of similar quality. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Accurate takedown rifle deflave #8791904 04/19/14 Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 S Steelhead Campfire Oracle Steelhead Campfire Oracle S Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 96,121 Yea, but you haven't made any jumps with it have you? "Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Steelhead #8792004 04/19/14 Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 29,786 Land of milk and honey...for s... J JSTUART Campfire Ranger JSTUART Campfire Ranger J Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 29,786 Land of milk and honey...for s... Originally Posted by Steelhead Yea, but you haven't made any jumps with it have you? No, but it got a bit of salt spray on it when he went for a stroll across the bay. These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle Steelhead #8792007 04/19/14 Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida deflave Campfire Sage deflave Campfire Sage Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 115,424 South Florida Originally Posted by Steelhead Yea, but you haven't made any jumps with it have you? I could have my son jump from the roof all day? On second thought... I think we'll just remember TAK is a moron and continue to move forward. Travis Originally Posted by Geno67 Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Originally Posted by Judman Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Originally Posted by KSMITH My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house

Re: Accurate takedown rifle deflave #8792024 04/19/14 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,202 cooperfan Campfire Regular cooperfan Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,202 I have a Blaser K95 in .308 which breaks down small and light. Perfect for traveling

Re: Accurate takedown rifle aalf #8792375 04/19/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado Originally Posted by aalf His new jump weapon...... That photo is obviously a fake. T_A_K doesn't need glasses. His vision is 20-10. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Accurate takedown rifle smokepole #8792413 04/19/14 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,132 S.W. Wis. aalf Campfire Ranger aalf Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 16,132 S.W. Wis. Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by aalf His new jump weapon...... That photo is obviously a fake. T_A_K doesn't need glasses. His vision is 20-10. Titanium safety glasses....duh....

Re: Accurate takedown rifle aalf #8792605 04/19/14 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,024 Colorado No??? Are they the ones with diamond coatings on the lenses no doubt? A wise man is frequently humbled.