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Its OK Pat, consider the source.

Some idiots ain't hardly worth replying to.

That�s right, BLM has EUTHANIZED 700-800 desert tortoises. Trust but verify. Click here to read one of many stories about it.

That is because rightousness is more powerfull than evil. That is why George Washington was under gunned, under manned, under supplied and still won.

Two things stand out in that video. A bunch of clowns that have never followed any rules and another bunch that has never enforced any.

First - your utter contempt for the American citizens that pay you and whom you have been sworn to protect and serve is showing.

Second - the it was only one bad cop or incompetent cop argument wears very thin with such frequent repetition and, especially, in this case where it requires that you claim it for each of the 200 agents and officers there from the twenty-some agencies and departments reputed to have been on sight. The problem is inherent in both the current system of and the personalities of those drawn to law enforcement.

Bundy hadn't paid for his grazing on public land in 21 years. For that reason he should not have his beasts on public land.

I reckon that would fall into the idiot category.

Indeed, but look at the other thread on how this should have been handled. The BLM ostenibly had other, less confrontational and ultimately far less expensive ways of handling this involving judgements and leins.

Bundy and his legal transgressions are a known quantity. What I would like to see someone pursue now is the decision-making process within the BLM that led to this debacle.

Maybe it did come from Harry Ried hisself I dunno. However it happened it sure seems unprecedented coming from the BLM.

Birdwatcher

<*SIGH!*> There they go again....

Plainly this lady ain't had Ecology 101 either.

It ain't so much the individual tortoises ya gotta worry about, it the HABITAT. Preserve the habitat and you preserve the species. Without the habitat, all you'll ever have is a captive population.

A for the habitat angle re: the tortoise vs. grazing, browsing around I found only inconclusive studies on the impact of grazing on tortoises.

The problem seems to be there's so many OTHER factors that hammer tortoises its hard to isolate the effect of grazing.

One problem with grazing seems to be cattle stepping on and collapsing burrows, why that hould be lethal to an adept burrower like the tortoise I dunno. Another problem seems to be range degradation and introduced weed plants associated with overgrazing.

But again, unless I missed 'em, I didn't find any quantified studies.

Birdwatcher

If he indeed follows Nevada's laws, he should note this part in the Nevada State Constitution, Article 1, Section 2:

"All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair, subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existence, and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the [b]Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority."[/b]

WOW!!!!!! I didn't know Nevadans were slaves and serfs of the United States. Glad I don't live there I'm not slave or serf of any state national or otherwise. I'm a free man and intend on staying that way.

Good luck with that.

You know, people can read, but they don't understand a thing they read.

It means that the State will follow Federal law, and Federal law will be enforced. It's not a state thing as Bundle would have the morons believe.