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The basic fact is that Bundy is violating Federal law. Whether you hate Obama or love Bundy is immaterial. We are a nation of laws, if we are not the BLM will be the least of our problems... I completely agree. droolers,.... both of ya.
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Oh, I guess I best go chunk all those incandescent bulbs I bought for the next eon.
What am I to do when .gov illegally makes it illegal to have a gun?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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This was more than a rebellion against the BLM. I think a majority of Non-entitlement Americans are so fed up with the federal government. The likes of Obama, Holder, Reid, Pelosi and the lack of media are detroying this country. If shots were fired this may have been the spark to take it all the way to Washington. I think a certain percentage are hoping. This will not be the last time. I think it opened a can of worms and the movement will grow with each situation like this. Eventually its going to happen. A large percentage of the American people who are not liberal.... are not taking it anymore. Bundy was an entitlement American beyond the wildest dreams of most liberal welfare grabbers. The instant that anyone claims that us not paying ever more is the same as taking from, or that us not paying ever more is a cost to the government, as have you, they have claimed all that we own, all that we can ever earn, and indeed us for the government. We have heard the same line for years from Obama and even longer from Pelosi about taxes, and your argument about fees is no better.
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so asking fair market value is 'taking'? wow...
600,000 acres of grazing for ~$750/month is an entitlement any way you dice it.
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
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This is
the people's
damn
country.
the people's
damn
land. Well, until the people re-define who owns what, the feds will rule the day. Physical possession is a tough mountain to climb.
My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.
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so asking fair market value is 'taking'? wow...
600,000 acres of grazing for ~$750/month is an entitlement any way you dice it.
It's not an entitlement if it's the "people's land". I swear,....there's no way to make it plain to you people. Too many of you are hopelessly indoctrinated. Their plan has worked,.... You accept being owned.
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It's not an entitlement if it's the "people's land".
"the people" are not just those who agree with you. it seems "the people" have spoken when the courts decided against Bundy twice.
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
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This is a nation of laws!! But you have to ask Holder and obama what those laws are - Every Day!! Some days this - Some days that.
Last edited by poboy; 04/19/14.
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I'm embarrassed for some of you people.
Somebody tells you that you're entitled to be free,...and you'll argue until you're blue in the face that you're not.
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"the people" are not just those who agree with you. it seems "the people" have spoken when the courts decided against Bundy twice. I'm embarrassed for some of you people.
Somebody tells you that you're entitled to be free,...and you'll argue until you're blue in the face that you're not.
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IIRC, the state quit accepting his checks for payment of those grazing fees. Quite probably a legal maneuver instigated by Reid and his lawyers so suckers would say he's not paying the lease and can be kicked off.
His agreement was with the state, not the Feds.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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If pressure from angry, armed people can over-ride court orders, presumably people with other political leanings can form their own militias to establish their own law? Then what, we have battles every time there's a disagreement, and Might makes Right?
The only poll I've see shows the public supports the Law over Bundy 2 to 1, and I think there would be a much higher spread if a scientific poll were run.
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IIRC, the state quit accepting his checks for payment of those grazing fees. Quite probably a legal maneuver instigated by Reid and his lawyers so suckers would say he's not paying the lease and can be kicked off.
His agreement was with the state, not the Feds. Not true. The state of Nevada never collected any grazing fees because it was Federal Land. "The court found that Bundy and his father actually first began grazing their cattle on the Bunkerville Allotment in 1954,[7] and used it for several years.[7] They paid for cattle grazing again beginning in 1973 and ending in 1993,[7] when the last grazing fees were paid by Bundy" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff
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If pressure from angry, armed people can over-ride court orders, presumably people with other political leanings can form their own militias to establish their own law? Then what, we have battles every time there's a disagreement, and Might makes Right?
The only poll I've see shows the public supports the Law over Bundy 2 to 1, and I think there would be a much higher spread if a scientific poll were run.
You realize thats exactly how this country came to be.You would be a Tory.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
He who has braved youths dizzy heat dreads not the frost of age.
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If pressure from angry, armed people can over-ride court orders, presumably people with other political leanings can form their own militias to establish their own law? Then what, we have battles every time there's a disagreement, and Might makes Right?
The only poll I've see shows the public supports the Law over Bundy 2 to 1, and I think there would be a much higher spread if a scientific poll were run.
You realize thats exactly how this country came to be.You would be a Tory. The laws back then were made primarily by the British, now they are made entirely by Americans. See the difference?
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Dumbest thing I ever heard.The colonist were British.Get your eyes off legal and illegal and put them on right and wrong.They are not the same.Hell the NAZIs were legal.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
He who has braved youths dizzy heat dreads not the frost of age.
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Once I read a book about Alaska. Although I've never been anywhere near Alaska, I am pretty sure I know everything there is to know about Alaska.
--- CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE --- A Magic Time To Be An Illegal In America---
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Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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Dumbest thing I ever heard.The colonist were British.Get your eyes off legal and illegal and put them on right and wrong.They are not the same.Hell the NAZIs were legal. Word games don't change my point. Before the revolution, we weren't making our own laws, now we do. The American people decide what the laws should be and what is right and what is wrong. The law says Bundy is wrong and the majority of the American people agree, including me. If anyone thinks that the threat of violence from a tiny minority is going to win long-term in this case, they would be well advised to rethink things.
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Once I read a book about Alaska. Although I've never been anywhere near Alaska, I am pretty sure I know everything there is to know about Alaska. If you have a point perhaps you can just make it. I've spent about a year of my life in Nevada and much of my life working with cattle. I'm pretty sure there are few topics any of us know everything about.
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