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It is true, ya can't fix stupid.
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That's not fair. Actually, Bundy and Pelosi have something in common. Neither own land in Grand Butte differently than you and I do.
So, tell me why Bundy owns it again, while making a profit on our dime?
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You're arguing for government freebies and you don't even realize it. Jesus Bob, you sound like nancy pelosi. Yeah, not being taxed to exercise a liberty is a freebee. ============ That response from the atta-boy queen had to make you moan "oh schit",Mike.
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your version of the 'truth' is just that.
it is about Bundy the freeloader not paying his dirt cheap grazing fees for 20 years and getting called on it.
I don't fret the knock on my door because I pay my debts and abide by my contracts. Actually, no it isn't. The bulk of his allotment was cancelled 20 years ago and the rest of it was cancelled in 1998. So, no it is not about paying fees or contracts as that there are no fees to be paid or contracts to be honored. yet he has been running cattle on BLM the whole time for nothingdunno what you call that... The government calls it trespass, but it most certainly isn't about fees and contracts as that there are no fees and no contracts. It started over non payment, and progressed to violations of court orders Saying that's not what its' about is simply denial
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So, tell me why Bundy owns it again, while making a profit on our dime? I'm biased, having gone up against the blm as an outfitter during the clinton years. I hate the bastards. It wasn't about freebies then; but the phasing out of commercial enterprise from public lands. Until you seek a permit from the lesbian anti-hunter in charge, you won't understand.
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So, tell me why Bundy owns it again, while making a profit on our dime? I'm biased, having gone up against the blm as an outfitter during the clinton years. I hate the bastards. It wasn't about freebies then; but the phasing out of commercial enterprise from public lands. What kind of outfitter? ATV rides? Hunting Guide? River Rafting? Where? Arizona? Alaska? Utah? Was there a prospectus, or did they want you to buy out an existing operation? How much insurance did they want you to carry> Sycamore Did you have a permit before, or want to start a new business?
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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It's not an entitlement if it's the "people's land".
"the people" are not just those who agree with you. it seems "the people" have spoken when the courts decided against Bundy twice. Ahhh no sorry , the people did not speak , the BLM spoke . Not one of those laws that the court had to consider , was actually voted on by either the people be they federally or within the state . NOR were they written up in a bill , submitted to congress and thus passed through due process. So in NO way did the people have any voice in this it was not the BLM vs. Bundy, it was The United States of America vs. Bundy... You do understand the US part right ? See it wasn�t the US as in we the people �US � it was the US as in a federal government agency . You can Cry TAYLOR ACT all day long doesn�t change the fact that the �act� was made prior to the BLM establishment . But if you want to use it then at least recognize that under that act the Bundy family had recognized grazing rights for that land . Specific rights that were justified by water rights . Now enter the BLM and their endangered species. Well factually probably herry reed but still a belly crawler . THEY and only THEY made the new law which justified the reduction of grazing rights which were recognized before , during and after the glorified TAYLOR act . Those BLM laws were what the court had to rule on as they were the laws Bundys cattle were in violation of breaking. Show me where , anywhere , that your elected congressman voted on any of that . I don�t care if the president signed it . That doesn�t mater the president cannot make law out side of executive order , . Congress and only congress makes laws by voice/ representation of the people . Thus only the people by way of their duel elected representatives can make law. the people did NOT speak , the BLM spoke as they made the law . A law that Bundy doesn�t recognize . Factually NONE of us should recognize. Thus he refused to pay When you were a child , did your parents ever tell you not to do something and when you ask why they said; because I said so . Well that�s the BLM that�s what they do . They make laws because they say so . The people don�t make them through congress . Nor did obama or any other president for that mater , make the law that this judge had to accepted because they did it by executive order . Nope , the BLM came up on this all on their little own that�s the power your telling us we have to accept , the problem is that a vast majority of us don�t . OHHh ya we go along with it because if we don�t , we will end up like Bundy Well I shouldn�t say we as I/ my family doesn�t have any real ranch anymore . But then there is the little problem that the BLM also has jurisdiction on private land MMMMMM , now that maybe even more complicated as they could come back and tell bundy he cant have cattle even on his deeded land because of some rare desert Nat, that resides in the now designated wetlands around his cattle trough .Thus for any reason if that water supply stops ,IE he refuses to pay the pwer bill for the pump . guess what the judge would have to rule in violation of the law for that to
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I understand that, Mike. However, is that emotion enough to have you join a posse cluelesstatus to charge a hill for a freeloader who stole more from you than the BLM ever did?
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The only freeloaders I see are those who claim to protect the turtles, save the owls, or transplant the wolves. I reckon they'll have final say over private property rights soon enough also. Free market capitalism is a thing of the past. http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/...st-land-grab-in-the-history-of-the-world
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What kind of outfitter? ATV rides? Hunting Guide? River Rafting? Where? Arizona? Alaska? Utah?
Was there a prospectus, or did they want you to buy out an existing operation?
How much insurance did they want you to carry>
Sycamore
Did you have a permit before, or want to start a new business? You sound like you know quite a bit. Have you ever went out with the BLM, where they study each other?
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You and me love hunting and we're conservationists. Some folks love turtles and the intricacies of the inner workings of nature. They are preservationists and conservationists,as well. Bundy is a rancher freeloading on our dime who couldn't give a rat's ass about you and me...or the turtle lovers. He's a capitalist making a profit. Oh yeah, he thinks the government owes him that gig and we pay for it.
Who gets that land use? The turtle lovers, us hunters and conservationists or Bundy's type? Who speaks for "all" on the public lands.
This dispute deals with the simple fact that the freeloading rancher thinks it's his land and he'll decide how the land will be utilized,rather than courts of law.
Sorry Mike, I'll take a pass on that approach.
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I can say it was all good before clinton came along; then the nightmare started. I can sympathize; and they can stick freeloader in their butt. You ought to talk to a few loggers of the era also I think they were called eco terrorists.
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What kind of outfitter? ATV rides? Hunting Guide? River Rafting? Where? Arizona? Alaska? Utah?
Was there a prospectus, or did they want you to buy out an existing operation?
How much insurance did they want you to carry>
Sycamore
Did you have a permit before, or want to start a new business? You sound like you know quite a bit. Have you ever went out with the BLM, where they study each other? I live in Arizona, where there are all kinds of "outfitters" or as NPS calls them "concessionaires". Sycamore
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I live in Arizona, where there are all kinds of "outfitters" or as NPS calls them "concessionaires".
Do these "outfitters" hunt NPS land, or just bicycle it? Eco tourism is a growing industry, and the government has their hand out. http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/media...on/0.Par.42431.File.dat/Stips%202006.pdf
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some outfitters hunt "nps" land in Lake Mead NRA (south end of Arizona Strip)
I know of 15 companies (outfitters) that run commercial river trips in Grand Canyon.
Bunch of Fishing Outfitters/guides at Lees Ferry, but I don't know who regulates them. AzGF? NPS-Glen Canyon?
There's definitely a bicycle rental at the south rim.
What about your tale of woe and intrigue?
What kind of outfitter, what state?
Sycamore
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What kind of outfitter, what state? The hunting kind. 5 different states. We even had luck suing arizona to allow out of state outfitters.
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Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
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Well,....I guess it's settled.
How did things like this ever get worked out before the 24 hour campfire arrived on the scene.
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What kind of outfitter, what state? The hunting kind. 5 different states. We even had luck suing arizona to allow out of state outfitters. was that Outfitters Unlimited? I think I remember something about that. Sycamore
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You have to buy someone out nowadays; but even after you put your money down, it doesn't guarantee you the necessary permits. Permits are readily granted for winter camping, hiking adventures, bicycling and such.
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