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It was a really dumb time to come out and get those cows. Let them drop all those calves and go get them this winter after they have grown up and gained some weight. It would have been better all the way around.

At least ol' Cliven was producing something of value and worth. He was actually working.



That's all I'm going to say about 'race' on the internet.





Should Cliven have paid his lease all the while fighting the Feds and their bullchit excuse to retire his lease(grazing)?


Yes.




Do I like the way the Federal gov't has been running for the last 20years?
(since I started paying attention anyway..)


No.





Just cause you ain't paranoid don't mean they ain't out to get you......grin

everything about the whole mess could have been done better, but when you defy the courts, you do not get to choose how or when enforcement will be applied...

I'll say right here what I said all along, Bundy is less wrong in all this than the government. I think the people who went out there and supported him did a great and commendable thing and I enjoyed seeing the government slapped down. I don't think he should have opened his mouth on the race issue and not only painted himself into a corner, but also made his supporters look bad, including one of the best chances we have, Rand Paul. Bundy's remarks are free speech though and they do nothing to alter the overall situation. The government is still more wrong than Bundy and it was still good to see some ragtag militiamen force them to retreat.

All the commie trolls on here can suck it!

One of the problems with that statement is........any cursory examination of the posts on this forum will show that the majority of the opposition to Bundy are definitely not "commie trolls".

And that opposition was less about an over reach of government than the overt celebration of Bundy and his intentional position.

There isn't any "high ground" to celebrate here. Pity is............there never was.

For accuracy..

still Butt hurt I see, his grazing land, he held the right to graze it. not surprised you showed your ignorance by taking "his" to mean he owns it personally. talk to rachers who lease from the feds and they will use the same term often, along with theirs, hers and mine. maybe take a break for a while....

not 'his' land by any stretch, but twist it around any way you wish...

see, I have been one of those ranchers with a grazing lease for a good chunk of my life. never called it my land. (until we bought the land, anyway)

in the context of the statement 'the feds tried to force him from his land', that 'his' is huge. the only reason for the inaccuracy is to distort the facts or ignorance.

you're the one twisting my friend. it's ok though. I deal with folks like you all the time. carry on

When you sign a note on a loan for a house you refet to it as "yours" as well. However if you quit paying your mortgage payment. It quickly becoms the Bank's.

I refer to my kids as "mine" as well but I do not own them.

just like the street in front of my house I will often refer to it as "our street" yet I do not actually believe that I personally own it.

I agree, now take the same house, someone forces you to live in only one room of it even though you have been living in all of it. you call BS and stay in the whole house and still keep trying to pay your mortgage but they refuse to take your money, fast forward 20 years then they come to kick you out for not paying for it.

Around a campfire you can say W ever TF you want. A guy in Bundy's position right now; not so much.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vu_YKgGRFZ8&feature=youtu.be

It should have ended before you started it by saying you agreed that black people in the US were better off as slaves.

That's an ignorant, indefensible statement. Which is why you keep trying to change the subject.

We're not talking about your political views or your slant on why there is no freedom. So why do you keep bringing that up?

If I read this correctly, the guy (apparently) over-grazed by five or six times the land's carrying capacity on OUR public land, which hurts the land and wildlife, and then wants to freeload and not pay the unreasonably low fee? And we're supposed to be sympathetic?

Oh boy, here we go.....again.
Popcorn's a poppin!

Where do you see this?

Just curious, because at 1000 acres per cow, even in the desert is pretty land friendly. It's kinda hard to stay in the ranching business for generations when you don't take care of the land, and especially the grass. Are you particularly familiar with ranching techniques in the desert? I have seen folks that ranched in other areas of the country come to the desert and buy a ranch and last 2-4 years before losing it due them trying to apply the same ranching techniques they used where they came from to where the desert ranch is.

I was referring to this by JoeBob to Greyghost from 7:34 PM yesterday...

Originally Posted By: Greyghost
What ever caused Bundy's problem with the government... it wasn't the cost of the grazing lease... he'd been paying it all along since they obtained it in 1954. And the rate had actually decreased by 40 percent from 1980 to 2004, while grazing fees charged by private ranchers increased by 78 percent for the same period.

His refusal to pay the fees apparently was only due to the BLM's management of the leases within the area, which he fully understood and agreed to... and which included nothing that wasn't voted into place by congress.

Was he too dumb to think that he could stop paying the fees all together suddenly and nothing would be done.

Apparently for nearly 20 years it worked, but in the long run he and his family is still going to loose.


Phil


(Joe Bob replies)... I don't think he lost. He got free grazing for 20 years on a herd five or six times the size he would have been allowed to have had he played by the rules the BLM set for him. Heck, his ranch is at least partially owned by a family trust, and not the revocable kind (although there is one of those too) so it might not even be subject to a judgment.

At this point, it is difficult to see a way that he comes out of this worse financially than he would have if he had reduced his herd to 150 animals in 1993.

Another poster registered in '12 who only has 79 posts. lol