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With a sabot, the bullet doesn't engage the rifling; the plastic sabot does. So this bullet might be considered to be more like a sabot than a conical bullet and banned on that basis.



You could say the same about a lot of things, like scopes and smokeless powder. They make accurate shot placement easier, which also extends the effective range and that's what they're trying to limit. They've chosen to draw a line, and it has to be somewhere.

patched ball doesnt engage rifling.

Thanks Sherlock. The regs specifically address patches as not being considered a sabot. As they should.

if its the bullet that has to engage the rifling, then a patch ball doesnt meet their standards.

Sabots are illegal. A patch is not a sabot. It ain't rocket science.

just like a government agency to not know a thing about what they are trying to restrict. Yet they allow an 84 grain bullet to kill moose and elk! Go figure.

They know exactly what they're trying to restrict--the effective range of the rifles. A patched round ball is one of the shortest range options you have with a muzzleloader so it makes perfect sense to allow them but not sabots.

no way, Im gearing up for 200 yards with my 58 this year. I have a ramp style sight on it now days. 140 yards a handful of years ago on a cow elk with simple 54cal patched ball did wonders on her. The 58 with a heavy dose of 110-120gr 2f goex is even better.

Even with my open sight inlines and thors, 200 yards isn't a problem. So wheres the restriction?

Tie a hand behind your back or tell you flat out, you can only shoot a max distance of 50 yards?

No shot is a problem on the internet.

I've already done it many times as it is. I believe right now 148 is the farthest with an inline, but that was a small doe, I couldnt make her out that well at 160 with the big plastic sights that I had one the rifle at that time.

Well, now that this is a thread about your shooting prowess, how do you correct for wind drift on a 200 yard shot with a round ball and open sights?

Bingo!
I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. There are plenty of legal choices available. Pick one. Work up a load. Hunt.

That's the plan!

200 yards is 200 yards with an open sight regardless. The use of a sabot over a round ball doesn't matter, it's the sights that really limit you. Shouldn't matter what engages or doesn't engage, so to me a patch is still a sabot. They both seal the gases, create a barrier, and fall away from the projectile after leaving the bore.

If you think there's no difference in a sabot and a round ball at 200 yards, find a good aerodynamic sabot, and run the numbers on drop and wind drift at 200 yards.

Then there's this, that you quoted from the CO regs yesterday:

thats part of the game, LEARN what you are doing and know your limits.

OK then, real quick, what is the wind drift at 200 with a 58 RB in a 5 Mph crosswind?

I'm betting you don't know.

roughly 14- 16"

36" drop as well from being dead on at 100 and then backing out to 200. Its all skill, practicing and knowing your equipment.

Took you a while to come up with that (ain't the internet great). But I think it's closer to 17 inches. Of course, that's for a .58 RB pushed by 120 grains FF black powder, going 1630 fps (from Lyman) at 5,000 feet in elevation, but it's only a guess.

Holding off a foot and a half with iron sights on a big game animal is something I'm not interested in. Actually, taking a 200 yard shot on a big game animal with a muzzleloader is not something I'm interested in.

But if I was, it sure as he** wouldn't be with a patched round ball and that kind of wind drift and iron sights. There are a lot better bullets available for that.

I cant sit at the computer all day like some.

1620 with 110 grains olde eynsford at 6000 ft. I actually shoot at 7300 but hunt higher in the 9000 range during hunting season.

Every man has to know his limitations.

I most likely will only have a doe tag this year, possibly a bear as well, so reasonable 150 yard shots will be normal for this rifle.