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nevermind that Jesus might have been a passivist, he had plenty of ferocious Warriors who followed him. ol Saint Peter might have been one?

anyways, and anywhoo, the Crusades were fault/fought with a worthy/unworthy enemy.

so, here we are in the postmodern era. and the War appears to go on. nothing the Muslims hate any more than the Great Satan and the Little Satan.

why can't the Muslims advance and get out of their mudhuts? and why do their Kings cling to power, as adverse action to the coming of the Caliphate? why do their Kings decline the Advent of the Mighty Caliphate?

maybe the demand for Oil has something to do with it? I don't know.

Damn Gus, that's a really good question. You mentioned oil. One of the problems with oil is it doesn't require that much labor allowing huge profits for a few people. You will notice that the most successful Arab, Muslim country is Qatar which has perhaps the least oil in the region. This has resulted in a diversified economy and the highest standard of living in the region.

The next issue is denying 50% of the people, the women, the opportunity to participate in the work force. In some placed they can't even go to the market without a male escort. As a result this not only keep the women out of the workforce, but while the guys are following the girls around, they are not working either.

Hey Gus,Islam destroyed the cultures of the Middle East.It turned what should have been many great people into what we see now.They are the bottom of the human race.So much for Islam.

quite possibly. the whole thingy might have been heavily forested before Solomon and his minions cut the Cedars of Lebanon to build a few Temples, or at least one. that freed the land to be inhabited by goat-herders. the final outcome was desertification. it goes on to this very day. climate change might have been involved, but I don't know that for sure.

beyond that, the Persians probably had a pretty good thing going on, before they were overrun by the Arabs who imported their Muslim religion. Nowadays, the Persians, at least on the surface support Allah and his henchmen.

Islam was not always caustic to the advance of knowledge. Between 800-1100 CE Baghdad was the worlds center of learning. But a few people can make a big difference in the direction of a religion. Perhaps the most influential person in the Muslim religion was Imam Hamid Al-Ghazali. It was he who labeled all who used the methods of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle, i.e. those who would apply science, reason, and logic to real problems instead of faith, as corruptors of the faith. Following this, the center of knowledge moved from Baghdad to Renascence Italy/Europe, and Islam has not recovered since.

In contrast, at this same time, the writing of Thomas Aquinas were having the opposite effect of the Christian Church, synthesizing the ideas of Aristotelian philosophy and Natural Law into Christianity. Since Aquinas Western Christianity has never looked back.

The only thing perfected by Muslims is loitering.

They do a pretty good job of cutting off heads.

I thought that originated in Chicago.

You have brought up a very valid point. At one time Islam did have a very high standard of living and learning. Something did go terribly wrong.

humans, from different quandrants of the Globe, choosing to disagree with each other to the point of death.

what a concept.

reckon, how it will ever end? maybe in the form of a One World Government?

just how many Gods will have to fall, and be rolled to the side of the road, before such a solution can be found, or occur? anyone know for sure?

Yes, the rejected, logic, reason, science, and the seeds of modernity. If the Young Earth Creationist had their way, they would take the western world down that same road today.

So now you want a world wide Caliphate?

That's your solution?

is a calif better than a pope? I don't know. I don't possess the capacity to decide.

what if a messiah/calif/christos is all one in the same, and us lowly humans with 2 stranded DNA can't tell the difference between one and other? I don't know, and don't claim to.

I don't know about all the oil stuff but saying Jesus might have been passivist is like saying hitler may have been a nice guy. Jesus is about as passive as a tank is subtle. He chose the cross for me and you, if thats passive behavior I'd hate to think of what aggressive behavior would be.

That being said muslimas are stuck in their mudhuts because the way they are brought up. If all you ever focus on is hating someone how are you ever gonna turn your attention on anything else? Kinda like hood rats focused on selling drugs and screwing women and stealing their way through life it never occured to a hood rat to do it differently. Its what they know.

We already have one world government and the human condition does not allow for us all to get along.

True.

This just sounds like more support for a world wide Theocracy.

North Korea is a Theocracy. Is that what you want for the whole world?

Right. And when the enlightened atheists came to power in Russia, Red China, and Vietnam, they killed more people than any other group in history except maybe the Catholic Church.

Read my above quote more carefully. I did not say all Christians, I was specific to those who would reject science and reason in favor of Faith.

As for the great murders, Hitler was raised Catholic, and Stalin was head of the Russian Orthodox Church. Ho Chi Min was a follower of Confucianism. Mao's mother was a Buddhist, and he was sent to Confucianist schools. Pol Pot attended Catholic School starting at the age of 10.

Of course as you also mentioned, the Catholics had their hand in numerous Crusades, including several Christian on Christian crusades, the Inquisition, and attempts to suppress knowledge throughout the ages.

What's a passivist?