Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Ok, this question is addressed at the Thumpers, and Others.

I notice you have done nothing to help answer the OP's question either.

Probably because you don't know schit about the Bible you [bleep]' pagan.

I am enjoying this.

Where do these unrepentant sacks of schit come from?

Quote from AS
"All one has to do is follow the evidence and the absurdity of the above mind twist to realize the evidence does not support the proposition that this is plan of an all knowing all loving all powerful God."


But you have to follow the correct evidence before coming to the correct conclusion. I know by the way you talk that you have never been presented the correct evidence.

I know God, I talk to him and he talks to me. I have seen his work in my life and others. I have a life long friend who is now on an incredible new path because of God. 2 years ago he was nearly dead with a needle in his arm. Now he stands with me worshiping God with tears filling his face every Sunday. I have seen the evidence and it is real!!! I've seen the awesome work of God in people's lives.

If I could only sit down with you and talk to you and show you God's love and mercy,...I would give very much for that my friend.

Further more, what you achieved has been replicated countless times, but in the name of different gods. Do you believe such changes have not occurred with the use of Hinduism, Buddhism, or the Confucius or the Ancient Greeks?

RH, again, thanks for your kind words.

It may surprise you that my deep study of the evidence began while I was on the other side of the proposition. Church every Sunday, Bible study on Wednesdays. As a believer I assumed there was incontrovertible evidence for the Christian God within the Bible, evidence I could use to spread the Word and convert the heathens. Every Wednesday I would come to Bible study looking for this evidence, the instructors would promise it, then fail to deliver. I finally became frustrated with their endless circular reasoning, i.e. the Bible is true because this part of the Bible says this other part is true, and decided to find the evidence for myself, by starting at Genesis 1.1 and reading the entire Bible for myself.

It was reading the Bible that made me realize was neither all king, all knowing, nor all powerful, and that adopting the moral standards of the Bible as written would be a step backwards, not forward for myself.

RH, you tell a compelling personal story, and I applaud your successful redirection of a misguided person. Your story maybe evidence that religion can be useful, but it does not prove that it is true. During the time of the Greeks, the Ptolemaic geocentric model of the Universe was useful for predicting the movements of some celestial bodies. Despite this usefulness, the model is not consistent with what we now know about the movements of celestial bodies.

Further more, what you achieved has been replicated countless times, but in the name of different gods. Do you believe such changes have not occurred with the use of Hinduism, Buddhism, or the Confucius or the Ancient Greeks?

I applaud your good works, but they are not evidence for Truth.

Further more, what you achieved has been replicated countless times, but in the name of different gods. Do you believe such changes have not occurred with the use of Hinduism, Buddhism, or the Confucius or the Ancient Greeks?

You cannot equate these religions with Christianity. All religions except Christianity teach that mankind is perfectible and that if one�s good deeds outweigh one�s bad then and admission ticket to paradise/nirvana/favorable reincarnation etc. is earned.

Christianity teaches the exact opposite of that and it is the only religion to do so. That is, per Christianity, simply one bad deed condemns a person and we�ve all done that. Christianity teaches that Christ�s blood atones for us and is able to do so because he, in the form of man, did not, himself, sin. I know you know that�but yet you referred to the other religions, which is why I�m pointing out that while you call lump those other ones together Christianity does not belong in there with them. It�s not only different; it�s opposite.

And, by the way, with a proper understanding of this it�s easy to see why suicide bombing is appealing to Muslims. Per their teaching they can never know if their good deeds sufficiently outweighed their bad ones to earn them admission to paradise�..with one escape clause: if the die while killing infidels they automatically gain entry. So�.for those who truly believe in the teachings of Islam it�s a no brainer; it�s the best deal going. Too bad they�re being lied to by Satan.

You missed the point.

You missed the point.

DD is correct, you completely missed the point.
I was not claiming these various theologies were the same, but asserting that each could be used as a tool to help a person off drugs.

Hell, I thought this was about picking out watermelons.

No, I did not miss the point but, rather, addressed it directly. You�re using a specific and perhaps trivial* example to equate religions, namely, that it helped various people conquer an addiction. My response is that no, that won�t do, since the religions teach opposite things.

*Certainly not trivial to the people involved but trivial, rather, in the context of varying and divergent theological views of the universe.

No, I did not miss the point but, rather, addressed it directly. You�re using a specific and perhaps trivial* example to equate religions, namely, that it helped various people conquer an addiction. My response is that no, that won�t do, since the religions teach opposite things.

*Certainly not trivial to the people involved but trivial, rather, in the context of varying and divergent theological views of the universe.