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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
The front cores of Nosler Partitions are relatively soft lead alloy. I've seen hundreds shot into deer and similar-sized big game animals, at muzzle velocities as low as 2300 fps, and they've always expanded.

Of course, many people apparently don't field-dress their own deer, so assume an exit hole that isn't at least the size of a golfball means the bullet didn't expand. But anybody who's field-dressed a deer killed with a Partition should have been able to recognize interior evidence of effective expansion.



Exactly! Too many jump to inaccurate conclusions without proper evidence to back up erroneous conclusion.



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if i wanted to try some in my 270 should i go with 130 or 150gr?

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Originally Posted by killindeer
if i wanted to try some in my 270 should i go with 130 or 150gr?

Yes!


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Either weight will do just fine on deer but the 130 will shoot a bit flatter at normal ranges and recoil a bit less.

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I used the 100 gr. Partition on deer for years out of my .243 Win and they worked great, expanding readily even at medium distance when the velocity is getting down to around 2,100 fps.

I shot a doe quartering to me at near 300 yds in a stiff cross wind. My first shot missed, so I aimed into the wind another 8" and fired a second shot which struck behind the wind pipe and exited her off side shoulder. A short run later she piled up, dead. The Partition expanded well enough at that distance that I was able to push a garden hose into the exit wound and all the way up to the entrance hole, where the hole in the hide was too small to let the hose pass through.


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Only 2 Noslers ever recovered. First is a 260gr HP muzzle loader. BIG doe quartering hard to me. Hit in the collar bone on right side. Bullet stopped almost at her knee on left side. Probably 40" penetration

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From another big doe hit @ 208 yards DRT. This was a light load reduced for my 7yr old son. It almost passed thru the pine tree too. Bout a 4" tree.

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I'm with those who say deer, even big bucks, ain't hard to kill. Almost any expanding bullet designed for deer will do. But, I'm also a fan of the great Nosler Partition bullet. If there is a more reliable deer killer under any and all conditions than the 130gr NPT out of a 270Win I've certainly in my nearly 60 years of hunting deer have never seen or heard of it. And as a bonus, lately I have found most NPT just as accurate as their Sierra counterparts.

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Love to see the "Nosler failure" threads (not in any way inferring this is one here)....Like others have said, it is boring and predictable, which is what I like to see in terminal performance.

Killed hundreds of deer with em and they work...every time.


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I have seen partitions that had nothing left but the base of the bullet and the frame acros the center of the bullet. This particular kill was a 30-06 driven at about 2900 at 50 yards on a 100 pound doe. Shot entered the brisket and was recoverd in the ham....nothing left but a pencil eraser sized piece of metal. I personally wasn't impressed. When pushed too hard that front half tends to just disintergrate and peels back along the shank of the remaining portion of the bulet without creating a mushroom like you see in the pics.

I think they need to make the front half a little more stout and not disintegrate/peel back so quickly but that is pretty much already covered by the Swift A-Frame. There is a reason you can eat up to the hole on a partition wound and thats because it drives through rather than being stopped by flesh and innards. It is the reaction of the bullet after striking flesh that determines the amount of internal damage. Some bullets like the 85 grain Sierra HPBT kill all out of proportion to their size due to their explosivness, but that is not how a partition kills. It drives deep, hard and fast - as it was designed to do.

I think it depends on what you want the partition to do. If you want an exit and a blood trail you will probably get it. If you want instantaneous on the spot kills, you are less likely to get that from a partition than a cup and core bullet just due to the stout build of the partition versus the explosiveness of a cup and core. The Swift A-Frame is merely a partition on steriods, but very few people use that bullet for thin skinned game like deer.

I prefer a happy medium; I like a bullet that exits but also produces massive trauma. I could care less about a little lost meat as there is not limit on deer in S.C and rib meat isn't worth a crap anyway.


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Originally Posted by killindeer
if i wanted to try some in my 270 should i go with 130 or 150gr?
The 130 gr will work on deer,elk,caribou,black bear etc...


Or try some of each in your .270 and whichever shoots best,use that one.

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Slidekid,

What you describe is EXACTLY how John Nosler designed the Partition to perform. Believe me, the Nosler company isn't going to change the design.


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killindeer,

It doesn't have to be either the 130 or 150-grain Partition. Nosler also makes a 140-grain .270.


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Originally Posted by Slidellkid
I have seen partitions that had nothing left but the base of the bullet and the frame acros the center of the bullet. This particular kill was a 30-06 driven at about 2900 at 50 yards on a 100 pound doe. Shot entered the brisket and was recoverd in the ham....nothing left but a pencil eraser sized piece of metal. I personally wasn't impressed. When pushed too hard that front half tends to just disintergrate and peels back along the shank of the remaining portion of the bulet without creating a mushroom like you see in the pics.

I think they need to make the front half a little more stout and not disintegrate/peel back so quickly but that is pretty much already covered by the Swift A-Frame. There is a reason you can eat up to the hole on a partition wound and thats because it drives through rather than being stopped by flesh and innards. It is the reaction of the bullet after striking flesh that determines the amount of internal damage. Some bullets like the 85 grain Sierra HPBT kill all out of proportion to their size due to their explosivness, but that is not how a partition kills. It drives deep, hard and fast - as it was designed to do.

I think it depends on what you want the partition to do. If you want an exit and a blood trail you will probably get it. If you want instantaneous on the spot kills, you are less likely to get that from a partition than a cup and core bullet just due to the stout build of the partition versus the explosiveness of a cup and core. The Swift A-Frame is merely a partition on steriods, but very few people use that bullet for thin skinned game like deer.

I prefer a happy medium; I like a bullet that exits but also produces massive trauma. I could care less about a little lost meat as there is not limit on deer in S.C and rib meat isn't worth a crap anyway.



So, let me get this strait.......for the window lickers among us. The bullet impacts at over 2800fps, travels/penetrates 3/4's the entire length of the dear, and produces a clean kill that apparently didn't need much/if any tracking ..............and that is a failure of design, how exactly???

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Originally Posted by John_in_MS
Originally Posted by Slidellkid
I have seen partitions that had nothing left but the base of the bullet and the frame acros the center of the bullet. This particular kill was a 30-06 driven at about 2900 at 50 yards on a 100 pound doe. Shot entered the brisket and was recoverd in the ham....nothing left but a pencil eraser sized piece of metal. I personally wasn't impressed. When pushed too hard that front half tends to just disintergrate and peels back along the shank of the remaining portion of the bulet without creating a mushroom like you see in the pics.

I think they need to make the front half a little more stout and not disintegrate/peel back so quickly but that is pretty much already covered by the Swift A-Frame. There is a reason you can eat up to the hole on a partition wound and thats because it drives through rather than being stopped by flesh and innards. It is the reaction of the bullet after striking flesh that determines the amount of internal damage. Some bullets like the 85 grain Sierra HPBT kill all out of proportion to their size due to their explosivness, but that is not how a partition kills. It drives deep, hard and fast - as it was designed to do.

I think it depends on what you want the partition to do. If you want an exit and a blood trail you will probably get it. If you want instantaneous on the spot kills, you are less likely to get that from a partition than a cup and core bullet just due to the stout build of the partition versus the explosiveness of a cup and core. The Swift A-Frame is merely a partition on steriods, but very few people use that bullet for thin skinned game like deer.

I prefer a happy medium; I like a bullet that exits but also produces massive trauma. I could care less about a little lost meat as there is not limit on deer in S.C and rib meat isn't worth a crap anyway.



So, let me get this strait.......for the window lickers among us. The bullet impacts at over 2800fps, travels/penetrates 3/4's the entire length of the dear, and produces a nearly instantaneous kill..............and that is a failure of design, how exactly???



Sounds like great performance to me. I want any bullet I fire to exit, I know it's not required but that's what I want. I don't want them to blow up, I want broken bones and 2 leaking holes.





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i may try the 130gr 270 i read some article saying the 150gr 270 was one of the finest bullets out there if u reload and can get 3000fps. too bad the federal premium load is a little less. but i may try the 130gr


I'd like to read that article.


http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.270+Winchester.html

theres the article. scroll to where he talks about factory loads and then handloads. he goes thrrough different manufacturers including Noslers


I like how the observed velocity is exactly what the manufacturers state. Also interesting is how he describes minute differences among all the bullets without describing any personal experience.

Killindeer, Partitions are fantastic. Use them.


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From everything I've seen the Partitions are very good bullets. They often lose the front core but every one of those I've seen was recovered from a dead animal.

They were accurate enough in the rifles I've tested them in but not the most accurate. The exception is my .30-30 - never could get the 170g RN to shoot well enough for me to take it hunting. (Switched to 160g Hornady FTX and got great groups, so it wasn't the rifle per se.)


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Partitions have already been called boring, so I'll pile on and call them the lazy man's bullet.

The nose reliably expands perfectly even on medium game at modest velocity. The tail reliably penetrates even on the largest game at high velocity. Thus you need only work up one medium weight Partition load per rifle to hunt everything for which it's suitable.

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I use the 125 grain Partition in a 6.5x55 and the 140 grain Partition in a 7x57 with excellent results. While several other types of hunting bullets would certainly work well in these two cartridges for whitetail deer, I prefer the Partition bullet.


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Originally Posted by killindeer
if i wanted to try some in my 270 should i go with 130 or 150gr?


Start with the 130. You'll probably never see a need to leave it.


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Originally Posted by toltecgriz
Originally Posted by killindeer
if i wanted to try some in my 270 should i go with 130 or 150gr?


Start with the 130. You'll probably never see a need to leave it.


That's what happened to me about 40 years ago.

Brush or open,down they go!

Thing I like about Partitions is you pretty much know what's going to happen before the hammer falls.




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