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So impeach the SOB

nah, Boehner does not think that is a good idea. He got that thought from his buddy Harry Reid.

good to note someone other than me reads the american spectator.
I have always loved ben Stein.. lawyer, actor, economist, neurotic and a decent guy.
Usually spot on with his observations as he travels the country. I always read him first.

Good find Mannlicher. Ronin, I too love Ben Stein (but be careful, he's Jewish; the Storm Fronters here might not approve. .)

Here's the full article. Stein is a great wordsmith.

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Thursday
A bewildering day. The Russians shot down a Malaysian Airlines Boeing777, killing roughly 300 men, women, children and infants on board. They shot it down over eastern Ukraine, basically by accident, but by the kind of accident that shows such extreme contempt for life that it would be considered a crime in any country.

There is no doubt that the Russian-controlled, Russian-armed �pro-separatists� shot down the plane with a Russian-supplied super capable SA-11 �Gadfly� anti-aircraft missile. It could not have been anyone else, unless it was the Russian army on Russian soil. Only the Russian proxy army has the SA-11 and the motive to shoot down planes over the Ukraine. Obviously, the Ukrainians would not do it. What would be their motive?

But the reckless, contemptuous Russian �rebels� have the motive � shoot down planes over Ukraine � and this part is perfect: They are on the record in phone intercepts saying they did it.

The Kiev government recorded them and if the Kiev government recorded it, the NSA must have it in 5.1 channel stereo.

So, what does the nerviest, most contemptuous man on this earth do when he learns about the murders? Mr. Vladimir Putin calls his pal, Barack Obama, and says, �There�s been a terrible accident. Let�s try to figure it out.� Putin knows that Obama is so weak, so used to being used and abused by Putin, that he�ll just wag his tail and bow with happiness that Putin actually called him.







Instead of saying, �You idiot. You gave arms to other idiots who used them to kill innocent Dutch children. You�ll pay for this,� Obama says he�ll work with the Russians to figure out what happened.

BUT�AGAIN�OBAMA KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED!!!! Everyone knows what happened. This is getting more and more pitiful by the day. I don�t see that we should fight in Ukraine. But something other than fawning by Obama was called for. Isn�t Obama embarrassed that Putin has just told the world, �Look, Obama is so weak and stupid I can lie to his face and get away with it�? I guess not.

And this man is our PRESIDENT!!!!

Now, let�s turn to CNN. Tonight, as I unpacked. I watched a woman report from Jerusalem on the fighting between Hamas and Israel. The key fact, she said, the basic bedrock of this problem, is that �56,000 Palestinian children� have been traumatized by this fighting and will need �psychosocial help.� (By the way, �56,000� not �57,000� or �55,000�? When an absurdly precise figure is given in the news, it�s always made up, as about �the main point.�)

Really? That�s the main point? So, does that mean that the main point of World War II was that millions of Germans were traumatized by Allied terror raids? Or that the main point of the war in the Pacific was that millions of Japanese families were traumatized by the bombing of Japan? The main points were not about aggression and the Holocaust and the murders of millions of civilians by the Nazis and the Japanese?

Maybe the main point of Gaza is that Hamas never wanted peace, has used every nickel it could get from the Gulf States to buy weapons of death to kill Israeli children and that Israel every so often has to defend itself. Maybe the main point is that Hamas started this terror campaign against Israel, has refused a ceasefire, and exists only to kill Jews. Maybe the main point is that too many people consider it shameful when Jews defend themselves and that Israel should ignore these people.

It is too sad that people die in wars. It is horrible that the Gazans are run by a government that has no interest in keeping them alive and well. But the main point is that someone, somewhere in the Western world is taking a stand against terror. As usual, that someone is Israel. The �effete corps of impudent snobs� (great Agnew phrase) at the BBC will never get it. The most self-hating newspaper in the U.S., the New York Times, will never get it. But Netanyahu gets it and it�s a shame he can�t run on the GOP ballot in 2016.

Anyway, I am back in Sandpoint. It is smoky here from fires near Wenatchee. But, it�s fine. I�m happy with Idaho, but as far away as I try to get from Gaza, it�s never far enough. Gaza has become a metaphor for evil in Palestine and in the media. It follows us all, wherever there is media.

There's at least one lie contained in the essay.

The Ukraine military absolutely *does* have the ability to engage targets flying at the altitude the airliner was. In fact, the Ukraine military has SAM's that are effective to an altitude of 82,000 feet.

Taking that into consideration, it's obvious that Stein's piece is just another propaganda job.

,..but there's nothing surprising about that.

lie? Maybe a fact that does not agree with your supposed 'intel', but lie?

No,...it's a lie.

High altitude SAM's are rather passe' these days.

Any half ass military has the ability to knock down an airliner flying at 35,000 feet.

Anyone who claims otherwise is catering to the stupid.

Like I told you yesterday.

Don't be stupid.

Anybody that doesn't think it was the ukranian separatists that shot down the plane (in a case of mistaken identity) is a MORON.

Why is some chitbird who made his bone doing "B" movies involved in U.S. foreign policy?

Is that what's it's come to?

Oh Ben pretty much has it right.

Those kids reminds of my economics instructor in college. He said he always knew when he lost the class because the students had a 30 yard stare in a 15 yard room.

Not a fan of the late Ronald Reagan?

Are you a complete dolt? Stein never said otherwise. The piece is a commentary on the insanity (and inanity) of Obama's foreign policy, pointing out the simple fact that it's reached the point of undeniable absurdity. If you're offended by an attack on the idiocy of Obama, then you're frequenting the wrong forum.

Stein is not involved in U.s foreign policy you [bleep] dolt! He's a columnist for Am Spec. Do you even know how to ready? Serious, your ignorance is beyond embarrassing.

He is certainly MORE qualified than the present marxist in the WH. OH! I forgot, he's one of "them joooos!"

I think you hit the nail on the head there Jorge. Stein's a Jew, therefore, when he announces that 2 + 2 = 4 Bristoe is forced to conclude Stein obviously does not know math. Seriously though, what kind of ignorance moves one to think that a journalist writing a magazine column is "involved in U.S. foreign policy"? Are you frigging kidding me?

Hammer. Nail. Head.

Even if the Ukraines do have the ability to shoot down an airliner, the argument cannot be discredited when on every basis we know who did this. And it could not be clearer to the Constitutional-scholar-Nobel-Prize-winner-foreign-policy-just-talk-nice-and-we'll-have-peacenik in the White House. We might be in a worse situation right now than if we didn't have a President.

Steve.