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Well then�you must be wrong.
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Seal billy, the first 3 words in your sig line pretty much sums it up.
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So keep on pushing your agenda like the homos and liberals, cause everybody knows they make themselves look so wise. But that's just it. I do not have an agenda. I will not criticize your religion. If you take comfort from your beliefs, GREAT. I am glad for you. This is simply discussion for the sake of enlightenment concerning the thoughts of others.
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So keep on pushing your agenda like the homos and liberals, cause everybody knows they make themselves look so wise. But that's just it. I do not have an agenda. I will not criticize your religion. If you take comfort from your beliefs, GREAT. I am glad for you. This is simply discussion for the sake of enlightenment concerning the thoughts of others. Yet, you've already be tied to gays and Obama, gun grabbers and Harry Reid....because you disagree on this one proposition you MUST be a liberal commie.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Yet, you've already be tied to gays and Obama, gun grabbers and Harry Reid....because you disagree on this one proposition you MUST be a liberal commie.
Oh my gosh, I hope my wife of 31 + years does not find out about the Gay part. Tomorrow is Sunday and I might miss my weekly chance to call out to God.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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I used to know for a fact all manner of things that latter turned out to be false. Therefore, I'm kinda with Seal Billy on this- no one really knows $hit,we all believe things for reasons that may only make sense to us. As long as someone doesn't believe they have the right to harm me, I don't really care.
I do believe in God, although what I believe about God changes pretty regularly. I don't believe I or anyone else understands a whole lot about God, not to the point where I feel comfortable telling people what he wants, or letting them tell me at least. Maybe someday it'll all make sense, maybe not.
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One is humble & intellectually honest enough to admit he may be wrong. The other defied logic by stating that a negative can be proven as fact. This first answer pretty well covered it. In the follow-up, Richard Dawkins is held up as an example of just enough intellectual honesty to realize atheism is only a belief. I once heard a man with four earned doctoral degrees (history, philosophy, theology, and education) say "The agnostic says 'I don't know if there's a God.' The atheist says, 'I don't believe there is a God and you can't either.'" The distinction is one of humility. I am sometimes envious. It would be nice, at times, to believe there was someone out there who could solve all of my, or even the world's problems.
But alas, I can not, without evidence. And we all know evidence is completely contrary to faith. What if someone is out there (and here as well) who can solve all of the world's problems. He has both the desire and the means to do it, but he will do it on his terms and his timing? To insist he do it on my terms of wisdom, justice, righteousness and love is to make him in my image. Just asking. With regard to the sentence I made bold above, I guess I would say I'm one who does not know that evidence is completely contrary to faith. There are plenty of cases where evidence wrongly convicted people in court -- proof that we do not necessarily interpret evidence correctly. However, I am not saying faith needs evidence. Faith itself is, in a sense, evidence. But if all we do is depend on evidence, we are abandoning faith. Steve.
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As an agnostic I am certain of two things, the existence of God, and the inability of human religions to understand his will.
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However, I am not saying faith needs evidence. Faith itself is, in a sense, evidence. But if all we do is depend on evidence, we are abandoning faith. No, faith is a believe contrary to, or despite the lack of evidence. So by definition, deferring to evidence is an abandonment of an unsupported or contrary position.
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antelope_sniper, No, faith is a believe contrary to, or despite the lack of evidence. So by definition, deferring to evidence is an abandonment of an unsupported or contrary position. That is your faith position. I became a creationist because of the evidence and a Christian because that�s where intelligent faith lead.
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How do you know if a "supernatural event" is contrary to an "unknown" law of science?
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As an agnostic I am certain of two things, the existence of God, and the inability of human religions to understand his will. Two thoughts: 1. Agnosticism, by definition, lacks certainty. Therefore when an agnostic becomes certain of the existence of God, he is no longer an agnostic. He may, however, be a believer in God and be agnostic about the truth of a particular religion. 2. Key phrase: "human religions." If there is one that isn't human, but divinely revealed, then it is possible for some people, at least to a degree, to understand God's will because God has revealed it. Steve.
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However, I am not saying faith needs evidence. Faith itself is, in a sense, evidence. But if all we do is depend on evidence, we are abandoning faith. No, faith is a believe contrary to, or despite the lack of evidence. So by definition, deferring to evidence is an abandonment of an unsupported or contrary position. Overruled. One without faith will define faith to support his hostile position toward faith. Steve.
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I believe in the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.
It tells me I have some self evident truths bestowed upon me by our Creator.
One of these rights granted by God is the Second Amendment. I like guns, so I'm pretty happy some commie statist can't just nullify what God has given me. Unless of course I just call it all malarkey and wait or vote to be told what to do......
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antelope_sniper, No, faith is a believe contrary to, or despite the lack of evidence. So by definition, deferring to evidence is an abandonment of an unsupported or contrary position. That is your faith position. I became a creationist because of the evidence and a Christian because that�s where intelligent faith lead. With all due respect my friend, if I remember the story correctly (and are not confusing you with someone else, please correct me if I am) your conversion had something to do with a very pretty girl.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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However, I am not saying faith needs evidence. Faith itself is, in a sense, evidence. But if all we do is depend on evidence, we are abandoning faith. No, faith is a believe contrary to, or despite the lack of evidence. So by definition, deferring to evidence is an abandonment of an unsupported or contrary position. Overruled. One without faith will define faith to support his hostile position toward faith. Steve. Dictionary.com Faith: belief that is not based on proof:
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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I'd rather be in he company of folks who have faith than those who don't
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I'd rather be in he company of folks who have faith than those who don't I prefer folks of good heart, regardless of faith.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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