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long range accubond groups, two in one out #9102120 08/15/14
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona F firstcoueswas80 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP firstcoueswas80 Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona	Been playing with these since I got my 7 lrm.... they've shown potential, but every time I think I'm on to something, the third shot is 'out'. My Smith said to try another bullet add they were doing that to him and other guys with his rifles. Had anyone experienced this? These are from today.

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Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9102130 08/15/14
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 798 Ga B Bill_Davis Campfire Regular
Bill_Davis Campfire Regular B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 798 Ga	What is your OAL? If you start by kissing the lands and seat deeper by .005 they should start to group better as long as your brass is concentric. If brass is not concentric not much will help. It follows the computer adage..junk in is junk out.. Bill

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out Bill_Davis #9102135 08/15/14
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Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9102147 08/15/14
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 14,076 40 Years too Late H heavywalker Campfire Outfitter
heavywalker Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 14,076 40 Years too Late	That is a bullet jacket issue, send them back to nosler and tell them they are junk, or throw them in a lake and try your luck with a different lot. were they 2nds? Last edited by heavywalker; 08/15/14.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out heavywalker #9102159 08/15/14
Joined: May 2011 Posts: 5,800 Queensland Australia M mauserand9mm Campfire Tracker
mauserand9mm Campfire Tracker M Joined: May 2011 Posts: 5,800 Queensland Australia	I've heard that some rifles fire the first bullet on a cold barrel slightly outside the group of the subsequent shots - is this the case here? Oops, reread your initial post - it's the third shot that wanders. Last edited by mauserand9mm; 08/15/14. Originally Posted by mauserand9mm Originally Posted by mauserand9mm Originally Posted by Raspy Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?

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Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out mauserand9mm #9102184 08/15/14
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,647 Coues Country G GregW Campfire Ranger
GregW Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,647 Coues Country	Seat them deeper Casey - - Greg Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out mauserand9mm #9102190 08/15/14
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona F firstcoueswas80 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP firstcoueswas80 Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona	I started with a kiss, then .010 off. Groups got better the farther away I got. I need to keep testing with a bigger jump, maybe that will help. Heavywalker, why do you think that is a jacket issue? They Are not 2nds.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9102205 08/15/14
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,647 Coues Country G GregW Campfire Ranger
GregW Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,647 Coues Country	Yes - If you are only 0.01 off, I'd then try .04 and then 0.07. Refine from there. - Greg Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out GregW #9102220 08/15/14
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	Bedding................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out Big Stick #9102241 08/15/14
Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 9,189 15 min from elk, MT H HuntnShoot Campfire Outfitter
HuntnShoot Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 9,189 15 min from elk, MT	Scope, scope mounts, scope rings. I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.

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Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out HuntnShoot #9102249 08/15/14
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OP firstcoueswas80 Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona	Scope is a hd5 zeiss, ring/bases are one piece talley lw's I lapped myself. Stick, I thought bedding too.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9102260 08/15/14
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	Oh it's bedding..................(hint) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out Big Stick #9102680 08/15/14
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fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷	Jacket issue is rightt shoot five and bet 3 are in and 2 out Last edited by fredIII; 08/15/14.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out fredIII #9102933 08/16/14
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	You guys really know your stuff. This is hilarious!........... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9103417 08/16/14
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,517 lawrence county MO L ldholton Campfire Outfitter
ldholton Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 11,517 lawrence county MO	Originally Posted by firstcoueswas80 Scope is a hd5 zeiss, ring/bases are one piece talley lw's I lapped myself. Stick, I thought bedding too. Don't know if it relates to your problem but there have been a few threads on lapping Talley LW's and it seem to be a no no with them

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9103570 08/16/14
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,885 Frisco TX R RHutch Campfire Regular
RHutch Campfire Regular R Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,885 Frisco TX	Spin drift most likely. Combined with inferior bedding and hard jackets will do that every time. Are you sure it's not holding one and throwing two? Just thinking out loud here....

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out RHutch #9103685 08/16/14
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona F firstcoueswas80 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP firstcoueswas80 Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona	Well, since the first two are usually nearly giving, I would think that it's thrusting the third. My talleys on my 257 are lapped as well, never had an issue with them. I just lapped these rings, our was gong the range thing before I lapped them.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9103709 08/16/14
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	Bedding.....................(grin) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out Big Stick #9103741 08/16/14
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona F firstcoueswas80 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP firstcoueswas80 Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona	Stick, I got it. Asked the Smith about that."I don't think so, out came out pretty well." I'm taking it to him this weekend, as the predator action isn't ejecting properly. I'll have him check it out to.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9103756 08/16/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	Tell him I said so. Laughing............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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