He starts out with "Mr. Brown is a victim". Was he? O'Reilly is accepting as truth exactly what Al Sharpton is saying. He has, by his own admission, no knowledge of whether Brown is the victim or the assailant but he starts right out by putting the blame on the cop.
I'd say well thought out and good words there for sure.
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If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
Anyone who has been shot is a victim of being shot.
No. A victim implies you've had your rights violated. You don't have a right to attack someone, try to take his gun, and then not get shot in the process, so he's not a victim.
Yawn. �Victim� (1) one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions <a~of cancer><a~of the auto crash or accident><a~murder or shooting>
Context modifies the definition. In this context, it means what I said.
Yawn It is not your context. It is Bill Reilly's quote and his context is about a gunshot victim. Local headline:�How Many Gunshot Victims Have There Been In Ferguson So Far? Hospitals Refuse To Say� �Unfortunately, it may take a while for information about further victims of violence in Ferguson to come to light.�
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SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
Yawn It is not your context. It is Bill Reilly's quote and his context is about a gunshot victim.
If a robber was shot in the act, do you consider him a victim, or a person who got what was coming to him? Can't be both and you know it. The word victim implies an injustice has occurred.
Yawn It is not your context. It is Bill Reilly's quote and his context is about a gunshot victim.
If a robber was shot in the act, do you consider him a victim, or a person who go what was coming to him? Can't be both and you know it. The word victim implies an injustice has occurred.
Correct, objective commentary TRH, as usual!
"All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." – Robert E. Lee
A gun fires...person gets hit...they are a gunshot victim.
I met a guy who leaned a gun on the side of his truck. This gun slipped & on the way down a twig got caught in the trigger...the guy got shot...if he's not a gunshot victim, what is he?...besides a dumbass.
A gun fires...person gets hit...they are a gunshot victim.
I met a guy who leaned a gun on the side of his truck. This gun slipped & on the way down a twig got caught in the trigger...the guy got shot...if he's not a gunshot victim, what is he?...besides a dumbass.
The man in your example is a victim because he didn't have it coming, i.e., it wasn't in any sense justice for him to die. Those shot deservedly, on the other hand, aren't correctly termed victims.
Not what I hoped for, but approximately what I expected. Have a pleasant evening.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
I think pretty much everybody grasps what he's saying. The difference is that some people are appalled by it and some people shrug and say, "Well, heck, it is a government, after all:you can't expect it to make omelets without breaking a few eggs."
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
I don't know, of course, but my instinct is to call BS. If he had been able to show any injury at all stemming from the confrontation, the PD would have trotted it out at the very beginning, at the first sign that things might get ugly. They might even have taken him out back and worked him over themselves just so that he'd have a visible injury they could blame on Brown.
Time will tell, but the delay does severe violence to the credibility of the claim.
Sharpton couldn't have said it any better....Congratulations???
I dunno about you, or a cop, but I'M NOT GOING TO WAIT to be injured before dropping the hammer on a perceived imminent threat. If that's what it was.
Yawn It is not your context. It is Bill Reilly's quote and his context is about a gunshot victim.
If a robber was shot in the act, do you consider him a victim, or a person who got what was coming to him? Can't be both and you know it. The word victim implies an injustice has occurred.
In my world...If a robber was shot in the act, he is a gunshot victim who may or may not got what was coming to him. It most certainly could be either or both. I have already listed several dictionary definitions that do not imply any injustice. Some do and some do not.
Only in your world do you get to pick and chose a different definition than the one that O'Reilly clearly intended.
noun: victim; plural noun: victims 1. a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action. [...] 1. One who is harmed or killed by another: a victim of a mugging. 2. A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite. 3. One who is harmed by or made to suffer from an act, circumstance, agency, or condition: victims of war. 4. A person who suffers injury, loss, or death as a result of a voluntary undertaking: You are a victim of your own scheming. 5. A person who is tricked, swindled, or taken advantage of: the victim of a cruel hoax.
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SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
The point of this thread should be what Bill O'Reilly was saying. And not taking him out of context. Or trying to change the meanings of his words.
You're preachin to the choir brother... Baraks comments surprised me even though I know he's sympathetic towards the poor, persecuted, imprisoned sociopaths that attend his Kairos meetings... Sharpton would be proud of his "brother" speaking out against that racist O'Reilly trying to smear the good name of that fine young man who the police gunned down in cold blood...just because he was black...
We also hear today that Officer Wilson has an orbital blow out fracture of his eye socket.
I don't know, of course, but my instinct is to call BS. If he had been able to show any injury at all stemming from the confrontation, the PD would have trotted it out at the very beginning, at the first sign that things might get ugly. They might even have taken him out back and worked him over themselves just so that he'd have a visible injury they could blame on Brown.
Time will tell, but the delay does severe violence to the credibility of the claim.
If you actually believe the BS you're spouting - I'm sorry for you.
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Sharpton would be proud of his "brother" speaking out against that racist O'Reilly trying to smear the good name of that fine young man who the police gunned down in cold blood...just because he was black...
Given the larger context of a government murdering its subjects, which this incident may or may not be another example of, I don't give two whoops about racism. For me, murder trumps unfairness every day.
I was just pointing out that it would look a lot better for the police department if Wilson had been injured in the incident than if he hadn't. Surely that's not a controversial statement.
The other two statements are simple extrapolations from that.
First, if Wilson's injury had been part of the narrative from the very beginning, it would be a lot more credible than when it is suddenly inserted after a week of rioting.
Secondly, some police are demonstrably not above creating injuries after the fact to excuse their actions. Remember those three cops who broke into the old lady's house and killed her, then each arranged to acquire small-caliber minor gunshot wounds themselves that they used to justify the shooting? I have no idea whether Wilson is that kind of a cop, but I know of nothing that militates that he can't be.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
I understand what he's trying to say, but for crying out loud, this is a forum...not a classroom. Always nitpicking at semantics...
Semantics convey meaning. It give us insight into the way people think. He thinks there's no moral distinction between a crook who got shot and a victim who got shot.
Sharpton would be proud of his "brother" speaking out against that racist O'Reilly trying to smear the good name of that fine young man who the police gunned down in cold blood...just because he was black...
Given the larger context of a government murdering its subjects, which this incident may or may not be another example of, I don't give two whoops about racism. For me, murder trumps unfairness every day.
I was just pointing out that it would look a lot better for the police department if Wilson had been injured in the incident than if he hadn't. Surely that's not a controversial statement.
The other two statements are simple extrapolations from that.
First, if Wilson's injury had been part of the narrative from the very beginning, it would be a lot more credible than when it is suddenly inserted after a week of rioting.
Secondly, some police are demonstrably not above creating injuries after the fact to excuse their actions. Remember those three cops who broke into the old lady's house and killed her, then each arranged to acquire small-caliber minor gunshot wounds themselves that they used to justify the shooting? I have no idea whether Wilson is that kind of a cop, but I know of nothing that militates that he can't be.
