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Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out antelope_sniper #9119857 08/23/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	I'm at ease speaking matter of factly,mainly because...facts matter. Just as you are comfy in Whining,if only because that's the only move you've got. Funny how it works!................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out 6MMWASP #9119859 08/23/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	Never be in a hurry,to make a bad decision. Schit happens,nice try,no thanks,bye-bye............(grin) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out antelope_sniper #9119931 08/23/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	Originally Posted by antelope_sniper Originally Posted by Big Stick You Window Lickers are a hoot! Noone can attack you,better than you can...by you simply revealing your "best" efforts. Hint.................. So, you are just going to triple down on the ad hominem demonstrating you have nothing left in the tank? Been laughing all morning and shared the "dreaded" Triple Whine with a few pards and you've made more than a few folks' day already. Congratulations?.................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out Big Stick #9124035 08/24/14
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 17,927 1 16bore Campfire Ranger
16bore Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 17,927	So in the name of science and skullphukkery, burned up some chitty groups this afternoon. Rebedded the action and nipped the magbox, etc. Same load/lot/rig... Outta the gate, all the action screws/bases/rings were "snug": Then torqued the action screws: Finally took the works apart and reassembled action screws/bases/rings farmer tight: to be continued......

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out Spotshooter #9130125 08/26/14
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona F firstcoueswas80 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP firstcoueswas80 Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona	Spoke with the Smith today, he had the same exact issues I did. He took my scope and rings off and tried his, still had the issues. Tightened the screws, same thing. Basically gave me the choice of where to start, I elected to have the bedding, and possibly crown recut. Next would be a new barrel, but that's like 9 months out, so that's last resort.

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Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9130178 08/26/14
Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,463 Northern Arizona S SU35 Campfire Outfitter
SU35 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,463 Northern Arizona	Try a powder change?

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out SU35 #9130187 08/26/14
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona F firstcoueswas80 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP firstcoueswas80 Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,807 Arizona	I've tried h1000, us 869 and retumbo with like results.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9130234 08/26/14
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805 Campfire Tracker 8 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,016 CA	Casey Have you tried any other bullets? Like berger 168vld or 180vld? Matrix bullets? I have seen some guys reporting they could not get the accubond long range to shoot good at all but getting great results with other bullets.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out 805 #9130385 08/27/14
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16bore Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 17,927	Assuming the smith used the same load?

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9130386 08/27/14
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	Bedding...................(grin) Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out Big Stick #9130454 08/27/14
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 17,927 1 16bore Campfire Ranger
16bore Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 17,927	I'da tinkered with COAL, to rule out the myth....

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out 16bore #9130487 08/27/14
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	That'd add humor!................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out Spotshooter #9130605 08/27/14
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,474 Alaska R rost495 Campfire Kahuna
rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,474 Alaska	No one has mentioned what long range target shooters on the line have said for many many years... 7mms are weird. Especially if driven faster like 7 Rem Mag. No one less than David Tubb has said that 7 rem mag and up will drive you nuts with unexplained fliers. My single example of a 7 mag round, has shown the exact same trait as yours. It shoots 2 and 1 groups pretty consistent. And large enough that its not a long range gun at all. I"ve gone through 3 bullets, 3 powders so far. It is the last douglas barrel I'll use though. But it may well be that its not the barrel at all. The bedding shows no signs of action movement as you torque or un torque. By mounted dial indicator at least. As far as I know thats been a good way to chekc on bedding issues. Crown issues in the past do not show 2 and 1. They are just erratic groups period. But one could easily relieve the bedding and rebed, though if running a dial indicator test on the gun shows it to be fine, then I"d say not bedding at all. Seating depth is what I'd play with. It can make some big differences at times. But I wouldn't do small increments, take the best load and run it in and out substantially and see if you get any signs of worse or better. A simple minor move of say .010 ain't gonna show stuff, given the ogive variation of most bullets from one to another. If I ever decide to put a new tube on my 7 mag, I'll go for a top line tube, nothing like a Pac Nor or such. Just move right on up to what I consider top line, Krieger, Rock etc... would be intersting to see, but I have other things going on instead of that at the moment. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out rost495 #9130621 08/27/14
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Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	You poor poor CLUELESS phuqq. Wow............... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out Big Stick #9130747 08/27/14
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,527 Colorado D dogcatcher223 Campfire Ranger
dogcatcher223 Campfire Ranger D Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,527 Colorado	I still wouldn't discount a gun over only one bullet.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out dogcatcher223 #9132193 08/27/14
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rufous Campfire Regular R Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,172 Arkansas	Antelope Sniper, you are wasting your time on Big Stick. He has more than a decade of posts proving that he is hopeless in regards to civil and helpful communication. Why he was ever allowed to return is beyond me. Of course he will now start in on me.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out rufous #9132257 08/27/14
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antelope_sniper Campfire 'Bwana A Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 30,954 Colorado	Rufous, thanks for the insight. I just like to be fair and give folks an opportunity to make their own decision. Stumpies made his, and in the process did a great job of showing his real persona. He may be knowledgeable within his limited sphere, but in the end, he's a dick because he chooses to be a dick. You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it. You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out antelope_sniper #9132866 08/27/14
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,819 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,819	Don't fault him. He can't help it. Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out firstcoueswas80 #9133248 08/28/14
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 28 C cottontopbill Campfire Greenhorn
cottontopbill Campfire Greenhorn C Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 28	I am loading 150 grain accubond lr for 270 win for this season! all test ammo seated .015 off lands. worked up by .5 increments on powder. Started with lowest and when i got to a little over 3000fps she dialed in one ragged hole. I went from frustrated to happy in four groups. Do as I say do, not as I do!

Re: long range accubond groups, two in one out rufous #9133290 08/28/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,372 Paradise,Alaska	Originally Posted by rufous Antelope Sniper, you are wasting your time on Big Stick. He has more than a decade of posts proving that he is hopeless in regards to civil and helpful communication. Why he was ever allowed to return is beyond me. Of course he will now start in on me. I'm afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess. Sounds like you've ample opportunity and substance,in which to find me "mistaken". PLEASE do...it will be FUNNY................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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