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Thanks George. I've been retired for several years and thought maybe something had changed, you know since all the cops are now patrolling in armored tanks and carrying RPG's as a sidearm.............

You can fall in the shower too and die..........what is your point ? K-9's will bite to subdue a subject and will usually continue to do so until said POS stops resisting or is commanded by the handler to do so. You need to listen to guys like NH-K9 instead of pretending to know what your talking about on this subject. It appears that you know little about it.

Hawkeye seems reluctant to acknowledge a difference between a bite-to-hold and a savage mauling.

As much so as Bill Clinton was a victim of angry conservatives for blowing a load in a fat pig...

It's the difference between a pit bull and a trained K-9 coupled with his ignorance on the subject.

Still waiting.

I hear you're in reasonably great shape.

Should bode well for you in case, by some chance, you are actually holding your breath while you wait.

He was reacting accordingly...

He's reluctant to acknowledge a lot of things...either that or his reading comprehension skills suck

The story doesn't say the dog was tearing up the suspect. Does Hawkeye have access to a different story?

Perhaps he read it in the Morgan chronicles.........

You guys are talking about Obi-Dog Kin-obi.

When that K-9 was doing his business, TRH felt a great disturbance in the farce.

I hope somebody here posts a followup on the investigation...
I'd be interested to know what his arrest record's like, as well as the toxicology report.

That right there is funny...good sig line material.

The dog was being used as a tool to affect the arrest.

Let us always remember that no matter how atached to our dogs we may be, they are not people and we cannot go down the slippery slope of giving them the same protections.

People are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This doesn't stop police from responding to violent situations all over the country every minute of every day. I believe this man was told to stop [for a good reason] and kept running.

I believe the LE was done with the "apprehend" after the citizen failed to stop what he was doing and put down his weapon. Just my take on it. It will be interesting to see what comes of this and how much information was left out from the beginning.

Upon further reflection, I am seeing this in a different light. A man was killed. Dead forever with no chance of a new life, over a purely property crime. This should never occur.

If a person is stealing my stuff, no matter what stuff, no matter what stuff it is or how valuable, he will never see the business end of any of my weapons. Whether that weapon be a gun, knife or dog. All can cause injury, scarring and or death. If a dog is biting me, whether it be a pit bull, a poodle or a K-9, I am going to fight back with whatever I have on hand to make the biting and pain stop as soon as possible. This is a reaction that is so deeply ingrained into our DNA and sub-concieousness that to try to hold a person accountable for action during a large dog vs person encounter is beyond silly and wholly unreasonable.

The perp may have been a multi offending career criminal, but he did not deserve a death sentence. Nor should any person stabbing any dog be given a death sentence. A criminals live is a human life. A dog is a dog, no matter how noble or highly trained that dog might be, or how atached we might be to that dog.

Slightly outside the scope of this conversation, but very pertinent is this: If we begin to ascribe the right to life that we have to a dog, ANY dog or other animal, then the animal rights groups have great moral ground and standing, as well as CASE HISTORY then, with which to attack those of us who hunt. All that wouod then have to be established is the supposed nobility of this or that anumal, or someone's emotional atatchment to an animal or species and POOF! hunters are then classed as murderers and deserving of capitol punishment. In some cases imeediately and without trial by the person who ascribed nobility or emotional atatchment to said animal.

I do not think that any of us, and I am a dog lover with three of them, can afford to go down that road. We as a people and nation cannot go down that road.

It is sad that this fine dog died, truly. But the man who was stabbing it was acting in reasonable and expected self defense at that particular moment of time. The officer was not in danger as far as we know, and if this is the case (no imminent danger to the officer) he is in grave error here.

As I see it, if you use dogs as tools for apprehension, know that you unleashing an animal on a human being who might react -and reasonably so - in great fear and in a life or death defensive manner.

Mark, read the post I'm quoting & tell me what you disagree with.

Exactly right.