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Originally Posted by Big Stick
ANY bullet into the lungs,will engage 4-Wheel Drive.

It weren't maligning the 178...rather it's location.

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And your point is well taken & I agree, I do like the shoulder shot. Just saying that out to 250 or so when you drill the lungs it is more destructive than anything I have seen in a 308 & so far every Deer has been Jellied big time, no lungs there to run with & yea they will move but just enough to try a mini plow, I don't think one has gone over 30 yds. as yet and blood everywhere. Farther range than 250 or so I go with a shoulder shot and has been great. And yes for almost any load I do the shoulder shot, hard to run with no front wheels.


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Haybale & Crockett is farrrrrrrr more forgiving of 4-Wheel Drive.

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Well that's true if around hay, not much but again point is well taken, terrain matters


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I don't know anything about shooting Haybale&Crockett. I hunt steep up and down stuff, with patches of thick around. I've always taken ribs shots. People I hunt with take ribs shots. I've not seen the 4 WD you are referring to. I've just not seen a lung shot dash that lasted that far. Thinking no farther than 60yds, and usually more like 25ft. Not crying BS, just saying I have never seen it. I'm also a believer in keeping on shooting until stuff falls. Have seen a tendency for many people to take a shot, and if it is good, they 'pose' like on the hunting shows, and watch the animal stumble off, waiting for it to go down. I taught myself to work the action and keep shooting.


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I believe Big Stick's point was in some extreme terrain a shoulder shot was superior because it would stop the animal right there & I hunt places like that a little and would do the same, but not where I hunt Whitetails with that rifle and load I was speaking of. In some places even 10 yards traveled changes alot if they fall down a ravine.

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