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Too bad my low wall won't chamber those, rims too thick-Muddy
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Johnt, As a certified RSO there is no way I would let ANY 4 year old shoot on our NRA funded range no matter how many rounds of ammo you say he has shot. BTW the Hornet posts are pretty much right on, hope you find some brass, GO HAWKS.-Muddy Gotta love range nazi's I've never seen a properly trained and supervised child be a hazard at a range, but I have seen some adults that should not be handling firearms. Was it a 4 y/o that had to fiddle with his scope while everyone was down range checking their targets? Nope, it was a-dolt. Was it a 4 y/o that put a cocked and loaded pistol on the bench during a cease fire? Nope, it was a-dolt.
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My experiences with close calls at ranges were all a result of sub-12 year olds nutzing around. When called out, their adult whatever's blustered about how responsible the kid was, how well trained, blah, blah, blah. Happened three times at my old home range, three different kids, three different proud papas. One, the scariest, was the eight year old who reloaded his dad's M-1 carbine mag while we were all down range hanging targets, then thought he would do Pop a favor by saving him the trouble of pushing it into the gun and chambering a round. Of course, it went off accidentally- scaring the crap out of us. Theretofore, the old man had been bragging about how well trained Sonny Boy was. We bid them both a fond farewell, post haste. Do little kids at a range make me nervous? Yep. Do little kids lugging a loaded rifle almost as tall as they are in the crowded deer woods make me nervous? Yep. In 50 years of shooting/hunting I can't tell you how many proud Papas I've encountered who couldn't wait a couple years for a bit more maturity to season their kids before starting them out. In a hurry to start making memories? Chill out, there's plenty of time and you might well prevent a horrible accident...
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I've run into more range trouble with adults than any children.
Children mature at differing rates. Some are ready, some are not. Properly supervised, I see no problem interesting children early, hopefully before they become enamored in everything else vying for their attention. Since many areas allow no shooting except at ranges, we need to figure out how to accommodate the younger shooter.
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As noted above, Hornet brass is thin. Cases don't last long. I get best results using a Lee collet neck size die. With fire-formed neck sized brass, I am able to get 13.2 grains of Lil Gun into cases with the powder level about 1/8" below the mouth of the case. I use 40 grain plastic point bullets with that load. Remington cases are a bit bigger, and I can get 13.5 grains into a fire-formed case.
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I have cases I have reloaded and shot well over twenty times. Never a problem with case life after I started using a bushing die and sizing about a 1/4" of the neck.
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So muddy/mr. sro......where did johnt_ms ever say he was gonna bring his son to your range, whatever state you're in, or any range? The kid probably spends a lot of time with a rifle.
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