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I like Mule Deer and his work, but the ass kissing he receives on this site is getting old.

As far as the .270 Win and 130s on elk, I've seen it work more than a few times. Even with Wally world special Cup ~n Cores. No issues when lung/heart hit.

I do like my magnums though.

cough, ahem...

Pre'64's are obsolete

http://www.pacifictoolandgauge.com/remingtonperf.htm#bolts

The one I would shove up your ass until it made another point on your head if you were standing in front of me.

The 270 Winchester!

OTOH a pal's eye was saved by shooting glasses last year from a Rem 700 when the gas came back from a badly blown primer......to be fair he had chambered a 270 in a 280...hard to blame the rifle for that one.

This i agree with 100% and i could hunt with the 270 and be happy the rest of my life, but i must say the best cartridge for any type of hunting is the round the rifle you are carrying is chambered for and that you can shoot the best in the field . It really comes down to this,that some cartridges are better than others as the game gets bigger and heavier. Speed kill and speed combined with heavier bullets just kill better on really big game like Elk and Bear. I really don't think a Mule Deer or Elk really cares if you are using a 270, 30-06, 280 or 7mm Mag, if you shoot straight you will bag him if you don't then he will get away crippled or untouched and more wise to the education you just gave him if he survives .

Bob,
I don't understand?
You mean an obviously cultured and obviously saavy .280 owner contaminated his bench with a .270?

SanSouci,

I don�t know why you got in an uproar. All I did was suggest you were being a little hard on Craig, and stated why.

I�m perfectly willing to admit that a large part of gun writing is entertainment, but that doesn�t mean it�s all BS. My guess, based on knowing Craig and the business in general, is Craig�s editor assigned him that specific subject. Why? Well, to entertain, and stir up some controversy, sure. But also because Craig has killed a pile of big game around the world, mostly while looking for the biggest trophy possible, including a bunch of elk�and also been alongside many companions when they were doing the same thing, as well as talked to a bunch of professional guides. His books always include the opinions of such professionals, to provide a well-rounded viewpoint.

Craig is certainly as entitled to an opinion about the �best� cartridge for various kinds of big game as anybody around, and far more than most. I have not only known him for over 30 years but hunted with him and worked for him. He�s as honest as anybody I know, and far more experienced than 99% of hunting/gun writers. So yeah, I spoke up about your opinion, which is based on far less knowledge than any piece of entertainment Craig ever wrote.

In my own gun writing I try to combine entertainment with some results, whether scientific or not. The world would be a dull place if it was limited to �just the facts.� In the process I�ve not only hunted quite a bit (though not as much as Craig), but have visited various factories where ammunition, rifles, optics, etc. are made, along with various ballistics labs. Many of those people have a high enough regard for my technical knowledge that they�ve helped me considerably with even more. So no, my knowledge is not gained strictly from shooting �media� and game.

Though I must note that every highly-regarded hunting bullet and ammo company not only tests bullets in media, but then goes on to test them in a lot of animals, because bullets don�t always act the same in animals as in meda. So far this is the only way to get a somewhat �scientific� notion of how bullets will perform in the field. In a way it�s like biology: Results can�t be as exact as in some other branches of science, but overall results can provide useful and valid information.

Bea: I couldn't agree more. Nice summary!

My comment was kind of TIC,since I know for sure there are other cartridges as good or better than the 270 for mule deer,depending how and where you are hunting them.This does not take away from the fact that the 270 gives generally satisfactory results.

Hey Dick, how did 55 go?? Did I ever mention that the owner of pommerell is a personal friend of mine Tought him to trap yotes about 10 years ago, great guy..

Just interested in how you did, they are killing some of the biggest bulls Idaho has ever produced,this year, in that unit on OTC archery tags..Crazy

The 7mm Rem Mag is the best Mule Deer caliber ever created, and the 270 is a VERY close second. I've stacked piles of mulies up with these two cartridges�

As for smoke pole, he ought to change his moniker to smokin' bowls because it's apparent that he's spending too much time in Colorado's dope shops. I have sent his a PM about asking him what his problem is. Instead of manning up, he's taken to hitting and running. If he has a thesis that he can cogently defend, he ought to get busy on it. If he has a problem with me, he ought to disclose it rather than going at it as a pus$y.

Running? From you? That's a good one. I'll do my talking in the public forum, right here. PMs are for people who don't want their drivel to see the light of day.

My problem with you is this--you comment on things you know nothing about as if you were an expert. You argue with a gunwriter about gunwriters. You comment on Mule Deer's work, right after having said you have no clue who he is.


This place has enough "armchair experts" already, we don't need more from a guy who kills an elk on a guided private-land hunt and thinks he's an expert.


You say shooting bullets into media is not scientific, it's anecdotal. That's incorrect. If you were to shoot a few bullets into media and make qualitative observations, that would be anecdotal. If you shoot enough bullets, control the variables, and record empirical data on things like length of penetration, diameter of expanded bullets and so forth, it is scientific and none of your hogwash can change that.

You want to talk anecdotal? Anecdotal is a guy going on a hunt, hearing what one guide says about the .270, and repeating it here as if it means something.