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379 Peterbilt: The difference being that calling and rattling actually involve a hunting skill.

tbear: I'll tell you exactly how much easier baiting is than other forms of bear hunting: Could a man fly into a strange area and expect to spot and stalk a bear without having done any scouting at all, or having a guide do it? Could he go down to the local kennel and fill his truck with a bunch of them pot lickers they got and expect to go out and tree a bear the next day?

Not only no, but a resounding hell no!

But time and again we hear of, and read about, hunters that fly into a strange area and manage to kill bears over a bucket someone else has been filling for a month or two.

It may be the only way to hunt in some areas. I have not been everywhere so I cannot say. What I can say for sure is this: baiting bears take considerably less skill than spot/stalk and the effort required is miniscule when compared to the years it takes to build a competent pack.

For some areas it may be a splendid idea. I am very glad I do not hunt those areas.

Will

Luring is luring. Some forms or luring take slightly more or less skill, yeah. And walking 5 miles is also easier than walking 10 LOL

I could care less about the skill angle. That is for each hunter to decide for himself. My angle is with regard to those who want to ban baiting, in this case food baiting. As long as it remains legal, everyone has the choice to hunt the way they like. Kind of a freedom thing if you will. Either I get to choose my way, or the likes of PeTa will decide that.

Oh, for this years hunting food list we are taking bacon as well as honey for toast. Strictly for breakfast though...(grin)

Good debate and no hard feelings. Have a happy non baiting day.

I don't hunt over bait, but don't care if others do. What ever pops thier ballon. However, it is the voting public, which has more nonhunters and peple on the fence, that decide what happens. So perception of what is sporting in todays world carries a lot of weight.
That is how leg hold traps, baiting, and spring bear hunts was stopped in Colorado.

Kinda like the same thing as saying all ATV riders are bad ,tear up the countrty, scare game. etc . The few that are abusing them are writing the rest of the ATVer's out of the public land

Perception is everything.

Yep, so very true with regard to how the non hunting public percieves the issues. PeTa and the likes are masters at spinning things to make many hunting tactics appear "wrong"

The biggest fight we have is educating the public to expose the PeTa and HSUS groups for what they really are. Some folks in the non hunting comunity might take sides with these extreemist groups when the issues of say a spring bear hunt should be canceled, all in the name of saving the cubs, when all along its been illegal to shoot sows with cubs in the first place. Or killing those "pretty" doves.

Banning food baiting is one tool they use to achieve their goal of ending hunting all together. They know they cant make it cease and desist overnight, but they can try to chip away, one freedom at a time.

Setterman
Tried to do a little research on that tricky noses thing but I couldn't find out much. My buddy Dave said he thought the barmaid's boyfriend was yelling something like "I hope you die from the tricky noses you stinking American guy" but we've established that Dave's command of the language leaves a lot to be desired. Was curious what kind of bait was used for those ouananiche and if you had much success. I understand they can be quite the trophy. I've recently had quite a bit of success baiting penguins but most guys are of the opinion that they'll just run up to any gathering and start squawking away. Jokers and Riddlers can't be baited though which explains the explosive growth in their ranks lately, especially around Washington DC.

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Hey guys, thanks for the replies on what has become a controversial topic.

Chessie:

Sorry I didn't get back sooner, but I was stuffing jelly donuts in 55 gallon drums. Also, didn't mean to imply that your glasses were thick, or that your regal mane was any color other than silver. You must admit, however, that seeing a large black man wearing shades in de nord of Canada is an unusual sight.

Best,

Bob

Chessie:

Interesting that you inquire about the ouananiche. Trophies are very difficult to catch, as they must be stalked. The smaller variety, on which we focused, are referred to as mininiche. They are typically in the 8-10" range and are mighty tasty.

The successful angler generally rattles them up from deep water, seduces them from a chum bucket, and catches them with bait.

Best,

Bob

Setterman

"You must admit, however, that seeing a large black man wearing shades in de nord of Canada is an unusual sight."

Check the picture again, I think you mistook me for the bear. He had some interesting color variations around his eyes which made him look like he was wearing glasses. As far as the trophy fishing for ouananiche, I'm sure glad I don't live in a place where they have to be stalked. I could never hold my breath that long.

Chessie:

On second observation you may be correct. I simply wasn't aware that silvertips resided up nord.

Bob

Chessie:

Once again I obviously failed to clarify my thoughts.

In stalking the ouananiche one need not hold his/her breath.

We've been fortunate enough to have a relationship w/ a rancher in Texas who supplies with a special corn used in stalking those pesky hogs, varmints, and whitetails. We simply throw the corn in the shallows at dusk and return with spears in the early AM. Not only is this great sport, but we also fill our bellies for the price of cheap corn.

Also, please accept my sincere apology for confusing you with a bear.

Bob

Setterman

"Also, please accept my sincere apology for confusing you with a bear"

No problem, happens all the time. I'll tell ya, that whole ouananiche thing sound like some fun. Next trip up to Roberval I'd like to give a try. We usually have some down time waiting for the guides to bake the donuts and haul them out into the bush anyway. That's assuming Dave doesn't get us run out of town again. He really needs to learn the language.

Course, most of you eastern, midwestern and texas hunters know little about Fair Chase hunting, so it doesn't matter! Tennessee just outlawed such hunting and told the hunters here that fair chase is the only way their hunters can do it! If you want to try hunting as it was originally done in America, come out west and see if you can do a snoop-and-shoot on one of our Mule Deer! Maybe your wimpy Whitetail deer would be a real challenge if you hunted it like it is hunted in Montana and other such states.
Come out and see if you can do without "hunt clubs", tree stands, and bait!

Jim

Thanks for not assuming it was everyone (as you said most) in the east, midwest and Texas.

I've never hunted from a tree stand or similar gadgets, never sat over bait (unless you count what Mother Nature provides)and my Hunt Club is the great outdoors.

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Bluedot:

most people here at the campfire enjoy exchanging ideas, information and learning about hunting in different parts of the country.

It's generally more fun and profitable than trying to belittle others.

Try it, you might like it...

Tell ya what! We'll do away with all of the feeders as soon as you plow under all of the ag crops. Bait is Bait no matter how it gets there.

DT