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Since when is a traffic stop a life or death situation? The cop had no reason to think he was in danger. Do they offer mandatory classes to citizens on how you have to react to a stop to avoid death?

I wonder how Joe Cop will respond to other prisoners who want to 'discuss' his actions.

He had no reason to think he was safe.

Yep.

Good post.

The perp didn't have his seat belt buckled. If you don't think that is reason enough to get shot then talk to meter reader Gitem 12.

Yep, civilians should not take any actions against police no matter what officers do to civilians, but police should be free to kill civilians at will since some police have been harmed by civilians.

Yep, I hope the officer was able to issue that ticket considering the confusion that happened when the perp brought the shooting on himself. If so, he will likely not pay it since he has shown a history of lawlessness and that will give Grouberts's fellow officers a chance to do a no knock raid on him.

The cop screwed up. He should not have fired.

Fixed it for you to be in line with the officer.com group who know what they are talking about.

So the officer had PTSD, the guy was black and fidgety, and an officer had been killed in a traffic accident somewhere in the last little bit. What other things could help clear the officer and get him back on the job?

Twist and spin all you like.

I didn't twist anything. It is wrong for a civilian to attempt to stop a police officer from doing anything they want to do, but it is completely right for a police officer to do anything they want to do to a civilian. We see that point made by police officers on this site and on sites such as officer.com on a regular basis.

Yeah, right
And the sky doesn't look blue
Ramble on

Sherp,

He was fired and arrested. What else should happen? Maybe flogging in public, stoning, castration, what?

I will go on record here: I am a 21 year law enforcement veteran and I believe, as do my co-workers, that he was wrong and is being dealt with appropriately.

I also see how it happened. The sudden in and out of the vehicle probably would have resulted in a drawn gun by many reasonable officers across the country. The shooting not so much.

Now tell everyone what a fascist prick I am for looking at this from both sides.

-Z

As stated on officer.com he should not have been fired or charged with anything. The only possible travesty in any of this is if the perp didn't get the seat belt ticket.

Depends on time of day and weather conditions as to the color of the sky.

You and I both want the officer back on the job so he can keep on doing what he was doing. Like you I think it would have been better had he connected with all the shots and it is a shame it was on video that didn't have fast enough frames per second to catch the perp throwing the gun away he pulled from the vehicle.

Oh, and why do you think the shooting was not reasonable exactly?

It does not matter a lick what those on officer.com have to say - that is a biased and self-serving voice - not at all viable in a specific situation like this.

I'm as far from a cop-hater as one can be - very supportive of LE in general. But, it is astounding how some will throw away all reason and common sense in knee-jerk defense of even the most egeregious bad actions by police is such situations.

The cop supposedly is WELL TRAINED and fully competent to deal with a wide variety of situations, even like this one. Folks like those on officer.com will take a position like "he is a highly trained proferssional" and, apparently, a statement like that is supposed to trump facts and reason. Such reasoning is stupid.

The cop is in a position of vastly superior power, is armed with at least one deadly weapon, and often can conjure an excuse for using deadly force. Those very facts lay upon him a vastly more serious responsibility to use great judgment, act safely and sensibly, and choose to use that deadly force very judiciously.

The issue for me is not what has, or will, happen with that LEO. The issue is that some seem to exert blind loyalty to a "brother" in the face of simple reason. Being simply a non-LEO citizen does not remove a person's ability to perceive reality and react accordingly. Likewise, being a LEO does not excuse a person who cannot do the same.

We get that you think yours is the only opinion that matters

Give it up. You're defending the indefensible.