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Originally Posted by goalie


How long does HIV survive outside a host?

How long does Ebola survive outside a host?

Saying Ebola is of no concern just as stupid as acting like the sky if falling.


HIV and Ebola are probably like most human infectious viruses and have variable viable terms outside the body. Temperature, exposure to sunlight, humidity, PH of the medium and exposure to oxygen all can affect viability period.

Probably with reasonably hospitable conditions it would remain viable for a day to three days. Put it out on black asphalt in the sun and it would be done in a matter of minutes.

Under hospitable conditions, it might remain viable for several weeks.

All viruses that I am aware of are very susceptible to chlorine bleach. Most are suited only to a specific PH range and that can be pretty narrow.

As long as it's susceptible to bleach, as long as we know we are dealing with it and as long as we do not have to maintain perfect vigilance for longer than is humanly probably it's not a big deal. It remains a very dangerous pathogen, but it presents no greater danger to us than many, many things in our every day lives.

Being more concerned about Ebola than other much more dangerous things is just plain foolish.


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No t isn't the first time it's ever happened.


Man for a guy who likes calling folks idiots, you sure are dense, Miles. Simple fact is that this is the first time it has happened. Try paying attention to something other than those angry voices inside your head.

Spain ramps up response after first case of Ebola contracted outside Africa

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/world/europe/ebola-spain/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews


Only someone dumb enough to think that he's special would consider this a first case. There's a lot of people infected in Africa and you are not one [bleep] iota different. However much you think so, it just isn't.

Alas for stupid fear mongering people, it isn't even the first case of Ebola contracted outside of Africa.

And, it will not be the last.

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As the article states, they do not know how it was transmitted to the nurse. They do not know if the protective gear was adequate or not yet speculate it was not.

As I have said repeatedly, the protection cannot be less than perfect. If a doctor gets tired and just plain makes a mistake that may be all it takes since Ebola seems to need a very low viral count to infect.

his is almost unquestionably why so many health care worker, doctors and nurses, in Africa get infected. The gear is very, very uncomfortable, it is cumbersome, it is hot. Exposure without adequate time off will just aggravate the risk.

None of that means Spain is int the process of or about to undergo an outbreak or epidemic.

We will have secondary infections here as well.

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Miles, you are just too rude and dense to continue to have any kind of discussion with. My two year old grandson has more sense and better manners than you. The whole world says this is a first case but you say otherwise. You are the special one!

Adios, my friend. I never thought that I would do it, but it is off to ignore land for you.


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'Protective clothing doesn't work against Ebola': Outrage grows after Spanish nurse caught disease DESPITE wearing a safety suit - and WHO now warns more cases in Europe are 'unavoidable'Quarantines come after authorities traced nurses' contacts


Unnamed nurse was part of team that treated Manuel Garcia Viejo
Spanish missionary was brought back from Africa last month for treatment
Officials say they 'don't know' how his nurse became infected with the virus
But unnamed medics claimed their gear did not meet WHO standards
Medical teams in Norway treating their first Ebola victim who returned today
She is a doctor who had been working MSF in West Africa
By Damien Gayle and Lizzie Parry and Stephanie Linning for MailOnline
Published: 04:13 EST, 7 October 2014 | Updated: 10:17 EST, 7 October 2014

Anger was growing in Spain today over how a nurse became infected with Ebola as it was claimed the protective suits given to health officials were not good enough.

Four suspected Ebola patients are now in hospital in Madrid after the nurse was confirmed as the first person to catch the virus outside of West Africa.
The escalation in Spain's Ebola outbreak comes as officials revealed 30 people were being monitored for symptoms, including the woman's husband.

It has also since emerged that a week before she tested positive for Ebola she had contacted health workers to complain of a fever and fatigue, telling them she had helped treat two priests who contracted Ebola in Africa and were repatriated to Spain.

But it wasn't until she went to her local hospital on Monday that she was finally admitted and tested for the virus.
It is not the same hospital where she worked, raising questions over the number of people she has come into contact with.
Meanwhile the World Health Organisation warned that it is 'unavoidable' more cases will be diagnosed in Europe.


It comes following claims the nurse, who has yet to be named, did not have the sufficient equipment required to tackle the highly contagious virus
A woman is pictured wearing a protective mask as she leaves Hospital Fundacion Alcorcon in Madrid, where the Spanish nurse first tested positive for the virus
Hospital staff walk out past police guarding the entrance to protest outside the Carlos III hospital in Madrid, Spain where a Spanish nurse is being treated after testing positive for the Ebola virus


A hospital worker looks out from behind the main gate of the Carlos III hospital where five people are now being treated in connection with the possible outbreak - the first time the illness has spread outside of West Africa
WHO's European director Zsuzsanna Jakab said further such events were 'unavoidable'.
She said: 'Such imported cases and similar events as have happened in Spain will happen also in the future, most likely.
'It is quite unavoidable... that such incidents will happen in the future because of the extensive travel both from Europe to the affected countries and the other way around.'
'It will happen,' she added. 'But the most important thing in our view is that Europe is still at low risk and that the western part of the European region particularly is the best prepared in the world to respond to viral hemorrhagic fevers including Ebola.'

Officials have said they 'don't know' how the Spanish nurse became infected with the deadly virus.
But last night staff at the Carlos III hospital where she worked claimed the protective suits they were given were not good enough.

Unnamed sources told Spanish daily El Pais the suits did not meet World Health Organisation standards.
They said the suits they were issued with were permeable and lacked breathing apparatus.


'We don't know yet what failed,' he was quoted by the Guardian as saying. 'We're investigating the mechanism of infection.'
Mercedes Vinuesa, the head of Spain's public health service, told parliament today that the nurse's husband had been placed in quarantine. Although he has shown no signs of Ebola, the measures have been taken as a precaution.
In addition, a second nurse who also treated the priest who died on September 25 was put into quarantine after experiencing diarrhoea but she did not have a fever, the most common initial symptom for Ebola.

A Nigerian man who recently arrived in Spain is also under quarantine but tested negative for Ebola in his first test.
The 44-year-old nurse is said to have spent the last 15 years working at Madrid's Carlos III Hospital, where two Spanish missionaries infected with Ebola died.

She was part of the team that treated Spanish priest Manuel Garcia Viejo, who was brought back from Africa last month so that he could be treated for the deadly virus.

News of the quarantines has hit Spain's stock market. It is one of Europe's biggest tourist destinations and stocks in companies such as airlines and hotel chains fell on the Madrid stock exchange.

The Spanish nurse has become the first person in the world to contract Ebola outside of Africa after treating a patient with the deadly virus at Madrid's Carlos III Hospital. Pictured: Police escort an ambulance with the nurse
The medical workers donned full protective clothing as they transported the nurse between Spanish hospitals
Unnamed staff at the hospital where the nurse worked complained the protective gear they were given was inadequate, saying they were permeable and had no breathing apparatus

Prof Jonathan Ball, Professor of Molecular Virology at the University of Nottingham, said: 'If appropriate containment measures were adopted this really should not have happened.
'It will be crucial to find out what went wrong in this case so necessary measures can be taken to ensure it doesn't happen again.
'As the African outbreak perfectly illustrates, healthcare workers put their life on the line, so everything should be done to ensure that risks are minimised as much as possible.
'As for the suggestion of screening people as they arrive at airports, this would only work if people were already showing symptoms.'
Dr Ben Neuman, Lecturer in Virology, University of Reading, said: 'Nurses face a problem in that a person who is sick with Ebola can make quite a lot of highly infectious waste, as the patient loses fluid through diarrhoea and vomiting.
'Those bodily fluids can contain millions of Ebola viruses, and it only takes one to transfer the infection.
'The protective suits that Ebola workers wear provide excellent protection, but there is a danger when it is time to take the suit off.

'It is also possible that a tiny amount of Ebola-containing liquid splashed on the protective garments, and then was transferred to her skin while removing the protective clothing.'
RIGOROUS INFECTION PREVENTION AND CONTROL GUIDANCE SHOULD PROTECT HEALTHCARE WORKERS FROM CONTRACTING DEADLY EBOLA The World Health Organisation (WHO) has set out infection prevention and control guidance, which should be followed by all countries.

It is designed to give advice to any country providing direct and non-direct care to patients with suspected or confirmed Ebola.

Ebola is highly infectious, but it can be prevented, the WHO said.

It is spread through direct contact with bodily fluids, including blood, saliva, urine, semen, vomit and diarrhoea, of an infected patient.

It can also be spread via contact with contaminated surfaces or equipment, including bed linen soiled by body fluids.
The World Health Organisation has outlined detailed infection prevention and control guidelines to help protect healthcare workers from Ebola. Pictured are British army medics training before being deployed to Sierra Leone where they will set up a hospital to treat all medics who have contracted the disease
What are the standard precautions health workers can take?
It is not always possible to identify patients with Ebola in the early stages, because initial symptoms may be non-specific.
WHO advises it is therefore important for all healthcare workers to adhere to standard precautions, including:
hand hygiene
using disposable medical gloves before coming in contact with body fluids, mucus membrane, injured skin and contaminated items
gown and eye protection before procedures, and patient care involving contact with blood or bodily fluids
In addition WHO advises healthcare workers follow best practise advice when giving patients injections, when disposing of sharp instruments, disinfecting reusable equipment and tasked with laundry and waste management.
What if treating suspected or confirmed Ebola patients?
Patients with suspected or confirmed Ebola should be treated in single rooms.
If unavailable, special confined areas should be cordoned off to treat patients.
It is vital, WHO guidelines state, that all suspected and confirmed cases are treated separately.
Clinical and non-clinical staff and dedicated equipment must be assigned exclusively to Ebola care areas.
Access to these areas should be restricted and visitors' access should be limited to those essential for the patient's well-being and care, a parent in the case of a child for example.
In each hospital one member of staff must be named to oversee infection prevention and control compliance.
What protective clothing should healthcare workers wear?
Each person going into Ebola designated areas should be provided with:
correctly sized, non-sterile examination gloves or surgical gloves
disposable, long-sleeved, impermeable gown to cover all clothing and exposed skin
medical mask and eye protection
closed, puncture and fluid resistant shoes
In addition, depending on the level of risk, health workers should wear:
waterproof apron
disposable overshoes and leg coverings, where boots are not available
heavy duty rubber gloves, when carrying out environmental cleaning or handling waste
a respirator
Before leaving the isolation area, medics must carefully remove all protective gear and dispose of it into waste containers. All reusable equipment should be decontaminated.
The 44-year-old Spanish woman was moved between the hospitals in a special fully-incubated stretcher
Medical staff could be seen removing the woman on an enclosed stretcher out of the ambulance last night
The woman has moved from Alcorcon Hospital to Madrid's Carlos III Hospital by those in full protective suits
A medical worker in protective gear stands next to a special stretcher carrying the infected Spanish nurse

Two separate tests confirmed that the woman had contracted the disease.
Despite the concerns raised today, colleagues last night expressed their surprise at news the nurse, from Galicia in northwest Spain, had contracted the virus, saying that there had been 'extreme' measures in place to protect hospital staff.
One told Spanish daily El Pais that nurses were equipped with two protective overalls, two pairs of gloves and glasses. All medics had to use a special card to access the hospital's sixth floor - where the two men were treated.

The Carlos III Hospital was evacuated before the arrival of the first missionary, Miguel Pajares, who contracted the disease in Liberia, but not for Mr Viejo as the sixth floor had already been hermetically sealed.
Mr Pajares, the first person in Europe to be treated for Ebola, died at Madrid's Carlos III Hospital in August despite receiving experimental drug ZMapp after he returned.
Mr Viejo died at the hospital the following month after contracting the virus in Sierra Leone.
The Spanish nurse is understood to have tested positive for Ebola in a first analysis after going to hospital in Alcorcon near Madrid with a high fever early yesterday morning.
Doctors isolated the emergency treatment room.
A Ministry of Health source told Spanish daily El Mundo: 'She arrived at the University Hospital Alcorcon Foundation with fever and has undergone tests. The first test has come back positive.'
From the scene: Spanish nurse contracts Ebola The Spanish nurse was part of the team that treated Spanish priest Manuel Garcia Viejo, who was brought back from Africa last month so that he could be treated for the deadly virus pictured. He died on September 26
Mr Viejo was a member of the Hospital Order of San Juan de Dios who worked in the Western city of Lunsar
Meanwhile, in Oslo medical teams received their country's first Ebola victim after a Doctors Without Borders worker flew home after testing positive for the virus.
Anne-Cecilie Kaltenborn, the organization's general secretary in Norway, said the Norwegian female doctor started feeling sick over the weekend and was isolated after she came down with a fever on Sunday.
'We don't know how she was infected. We have very strict rules about working in the field, and all our workers use protective clothing,' Ms Kaltenborn told reporters in Oslo. 'She will be placed in an isolation ward in hospital in Oslo after arrival.'
Ms Kaltenborn declined to name the worker or give further details pending an investigation by the organization.
She said Doctors Without Borders has 86 foreign workers among the 1,200 working currently in Sierra Leone.
Health Minister Bent Hoie said Norway is ready to accept the patient and that health officials had been preparing for months to treat people infected with the virus.
Another European victim: Ambulances and medical workers gather near an airplane carrying an Norwegian woman infected by Ebola in Sierra Leone, after its arrival at Oslo airport Gardermoen, Norway, today
Ebola spreads through contact with the bodily fluids of someone who has the virus and the only way to stop an outbreak is to isolate those who are infected.
The current outbreak in west Africa, the worst ever, has infected nearly 7,500 people and caused more than 3,400 deaths. There have been a handful of cases in the West.


British nurse William Pooley, 29, who was infected with the virus while working in Sierra Leone, recovered last month after being flown back to London for treatment.
He later jetted to the US to give blood to an American battling the disease.
Today in the U.S., video journalist Ashoka Mukpo, who became infected while working in Liberia, arrived at the Nebraska Medical Centre in Omaha. It's not clear how he was infected said his father, Dr. Mitchell Levy, adding that on Monday, his symptoms of fever and nausea still appeared mild.
Mr Mukpo is the fifth American sick with Ebola brought back from West Africa for medical care.
The others were aid workers - three have recovered and one remains hospitalised.
There are no approved drugs for Ebola, so doctors have tried experimental treatments in some cases.
A critically ill Liberian man hospitalised in Dallas is getting an experimental treatment, Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital said.
Thomas Eric Duncan is the first person to be diagnosed with Ebola in the U.S., he was admitted to the hospital on September 28.
The hospital said Mr Duncan was receiving an experimental medication called brincidofovir, which was developed to treat other types of viruses. Laboratory tests suggested it may also work against Ebola.
Texas Governor Rick Perry urged the U.S. government to begin screening air passengers arriving from Ebola-affected nations, including taking their temperatures.
But Federal health officials say a travel ban could make the desperate situation worse in those countries. White House spokesman Josh Earnest said it was not currently under consideration.
President Barack Obama said the U.S. will be 'working on protocols to do additional passenger screening both at the source and here in the United States.' He did not outline any details.
Spanish priest Manuel Garcia Viejo is pictured being flown home from Sierra Leone in a plastic isolation chamber. It is understood that the female Spanish nurse was part of the team that treated him
COUNTRIES MOST AT RISK The researchers at Northeastern University, in Boston, calculated the countries most at risk in the short term, are:
Ghana
UK
Nigeria
Gambia
Ivory Coast
Belgium
France
Senegal
Morocco
Mali
Mauritiania
Guinea Bissau
U.S.
Germany
South Africa
Kenya
Leading charity Save the Children warned recently Ebola is spreading at a 'terrifying rate' with the number of recorded cases doubling every week.
Speaking at a conference in London co-hosted with Sierra Leone last week, UK Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond called for more financial aid, doctors and nurses.
Scientists have warned that the deadly virus could spread across the world infecting people from the U.S. to China within three weeks.
There is a 50 per cent chance a traveller carrying the disease could touch down in the UK by October 24, a team of U.S. researchers have predicted.
Using Ebola spread patterns and airline traffic data they have calculated the odds of the virus spreading across the world.
They estimate there is a 75 per cent chance Ebola will reach French shores by October 24.
And Belgium has a 40 per cent chance of seeing the disease arrive on its territory, while Spain and Switzerland have lower risks of 14 per cent each.



A team of scientists at Northeastern University in Boston have used air travel information to predict where the deadly Ebola virus could reach in the next three weeks
Professor Alessandro Vespignani of Northeastern University in Boston, who led the research, said: 'This is not a deterministic list, it's about probabilities � but those probabilities are growing for everyone.
'It's just a matter of who gets lucky and who gets unlucky.
'Air traffic is the driver.
'But there are also differences in connections with the affected countries (Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone), as well as different numbers of cases in these three countries - so depending on that, the probability numbers change.'


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"Anger is building..."

Anger is building because people are fearful, and information is not being disseminated adequately by authorities. MSM news is little more than inflammatory pics and sound-bites. Of course people are getting fearful and angry!

I just read a really interesting article this morning about the Firestone rubber plantation in Liberia. They went on aggressive quarantine mode months ago and so far have had ZERO cases of Ebola in their population, despite being surrounded by the epidemic on all sides.

Their solution isn't difficult or expensive. They didn't have fancy biohazard suits for their medical personnel, they just had standard chemical hazmat suits, and they worked just fine because the workers wore them 100% of the time they were in contact with Ebola patients. They don't have state-of-the-art quarantine facilities with air-scrubbers, they just put up pre-fab structures from materials they had hanging around. And they have treated hundreds of Ebola cases from the surrounding communities.

It's not rocket science, it just requires a bit of commonsense and the will to do some hard things (which our Federal government has demonstrated ZERO will to do, BTW):

1. Suspend all airline flights to and from west Africa.
2. Quarantine any travellers who meet possible infectious criteria for 21 days.
3. Quarantine anyone who meets contamination criteria for 21 days.
4. Educate and equip all healthcare workers in US hospitals to deal with Ebola. The "advisories" from the CDC have been woefully inadequate.
5. Everybody else just chill the phuqque out.

But none of that is gonna happen, of course, because the Feds are leaderless bureaucrats.

It'll get better eventually, but I'm expecting a rough ride in some parts of the USA for the next few months. Death tolls won't be west Africa-high, but they'll be high enough to create a whole lot of chaos.


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http://www.americanthinker.com/2014..._problems_our_leaders_love_to_fight.html

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October 7, 2014

'Ebola in America' and other fake problems our leaders love to fight

By Oleg Atbashian

Yulia Latynina is one of Russia's most prominent journalists and critics of Putin's government. She is a columnist for Novaya Gazeta and The Moscow Times, as well as a popular talk show host at the Echo of Moscow radio station. In 2008, Latynina was presented the U.S. government's Freedom Defenders Award by Condoleezza Rice. She has authored more than twenty fiction books, including crime drama and science fiction.
Latynina is also one of my favorite Russian-language columnists. She describes herself as a libertarian, although if she were to live in the U.S., she would probably be considered a conservative author of the magnitude of Ann Coulter, Mark Steyn, and Rush Limbaugh.


The following is one of her latest essays, in my translation. It was slightly shortened and edited to account for the differences in Russia's and America's broader polemical contexts.

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"Ebola in America" and other fake problems

By Yulia Latynina

Originally published in Russian in Novaya Gazeta, Sept. 27, 2014

Speaking at the United Nations, President Obama called Ebola a major threat to humanity. The second place in this Threat-to-Humanity Olympics went to President Putin, with the Islamic Caliphate taking the bronze.

I'm naturally offended that my Russia didn't finish first, but I'd rather talk about Ebola than about Putin. The Western TV commentators are as terrified of Ebola as the Russian TV commentators are terrified of what they call "Ukrainian fascists." "The mortality rate is 90%," claims the WHO. "The virus attacks the soft tissues of the body, kidneys, liver, blood vessels, literally melting everything into one bloody mess." "There are no drugs or vaccines from Ebola." The horror!

Let me ask a few inconvenient questions.

Africa has been a repeated source of terrible epidemics. In the middle of the sixth century AD, a plague that came from Africa to the Roman Empire killed in different areas 30 to 80 percent of the population. In the middle of the fourteenth century, a plague that came from Africa to Europe, killed in different areas 30 to 80 percent of the Europeans. Since airplanes weren't in existence, the plague traveled by ship, rat, and flea. And in the twentieth century, with the advancements in air travel, Africa also gave us AIDS.

The Ebola virus (in its several varieties) has existed in Africa for thousands of years. How come this menace, which is worse than Putin and ISIS, has never caused epidemics similar to the plague, smallpox, or cholera, and was discovered only in 1976?

How come that since 1976, all of the 13 outbreaks of Ebola never left Africa, and even there the number of victims has been relatively small? (In 2007, the outbreak in Uganda claimed 37 lives, and the one in 2012 resulted in 17 deaths).

Let's look at the facts.

First. The WHO says that mortality from Ebola is "up to 90%." It's a lie. More precisely, it's a special kind of lie, which in Islam is known as taqiyya. This is when the words formally represent the truth, but because of the way they are phrased, the audiences hear something else.

Ebola reached 90% mortality only once, in 2003, in the Congo, where 128 people died out of 143 infected. But the current epidemic has the mortality rate of about 50%, and there were epidemics, when the rate dropped to 25%. We will later discuss what exactly, apart from the difference in the strains of viruses, causes such dissimilar death rates.

Second, very important. How does Ebola spread? The answer is that it's not airborne. It is spread only through contact with blood or bodily fluids. The semen of a man who survived Ebola can remain a source of infection for up to three months.

In plain language, an Ebola epidemic can only happen in the total absence of hygiene. Therefore, the WHO statement on page one of its brochure on Ebola that the virus is spread "from person to person" is plain panic-mongering by means of the same taqiyya, that is, lying by withholding information. A virus that is only transmitted if one is using an infected syringe or a Third-World toilet, cannot cause an epidemic in the developed world.

Third, even more important. Ebola attacks different organs, but the main cause of death usually is, just as it is with cholera, dehydration. Give the patient enough fluids and administer an IV with saline solution to replenish the escaping potassium and magnesium, and the 90% mortality rate will become a 90% survival rate. Those "melting" internal organs aren't caused by the virus, but are the result of the disappearing vital minerals that are being washed away through diarrhea and vomiting.

Fourth. Those Americans diagnosed with Ebola were all infected in Africa, bringing the disease to the United States. The death rate among them is zero. All have recovered and one is still being treated. The American doctors are admitting they aren't sure what has helped more: the drugs or the general supportive care.

In 1972, an American doctor Thomas Cairns doing missionary work in the Congo, cut himself with a scalpel during an autopsy on a patient who had died of Ebola - a disease yet unknown to medical science. He survived because his wife, even under those conditions, treated him with a basic drip.

Fifth. That there is no cure for Ebola is also a lie. There already exist drugs like TMK-Ebola and ZMapp. If the medical bureaucracy is screaming into our ears about the terrible threat from Ebola, while being too clumsy and incompetent to approve the anti-Ebola drugs, that only means the deadly threat comes not as much from Ebola as from the bureaucracy itself. The same way, one can ban all TB medications and then scream, "Tuberculosis is fatal! There's no cure!" By the way, the Japanese flu medication, Favipiravir, also helps with Ebola.

Sixth. That there is no vaccine for Ebola is also a lie. The vaccine exists; it was created by GlaxoSmithKline. At the beginning of the epidemic a few months ago, GlaxoSmithKline contacted the WHO with the offer to help, but was politely told to make itself scarce.

Seventh. The fact that the medical bureaucracy is sitting on its hands and still hasn't approved the drugs and the vaccines for this dangerous disease (the devastating effect of Ebola on the human body is hard to overestimate) means only what most doctors already know: the wealthy developed countries aren't under any real threat from the Ebola epidemic.

To summarize: Ebola epidemics occur only in Africa, due to the disastrous lack of hygiene and just as disastrous lack of healthcare. There is no chance that the virus, which is transmitted through vomit and contaminated syringes, and kills by dehydration, can create an epidemic in the United States, in Russia, or even in Albania.

The Ebola story is very similar to that of the Haitian earthquake. Remember how in 2010, a 7.0 point earthquake killed 220,000 people in Haiti? A few months later, a much stronger, 8.8 point earthquake in Chile killed about 700 people. Keep in mind that each whole-number point represents a 32-fold increase in released energy, and that the magnitude of 7.0 corresponds to the lower limit of a major earthquake.

That is, the Haitians were dying not so much because of the earthquake as because of the squalor and lack of proper construction materials. In the modern world, all devastating catastrophes (well, almost all) result not from natural disasters, but from disasters that are social and political. It is true for the viruses as much as it is for the earthquakes.

One of the original sources of the Ebola infection is the meat of our cousins - [bleep], gorillas, and monkeys. This is practically cannibalism: [bleep] have the mind of a 4-year-old human child. Would you eat a 4-year-old child? In the Congo, they eat not only apes and monkeys, but also pygmies.

Today's Ebola epidemic, the largest in history, has killed 2,900 people out of 6,200 infected. Did you know that every single year, according to the same WHO, 250,000-500,000 people die of the flu?

So what do we have in conclusion? We have poor African countries, where Ebola - no doubt a terrible disease - is only one of the symptoms of a major social disease known as the failed state. We also have the international bureaucracy, incapable of quickly approving new drugs and vaccines because of its large size and incompetence, while at the same time screaming, "Give us more money so we can save humanity from destruction!" And we have President Obama, who can't even cope with real problems - whether it's the 50 million Americans on food stamps, or the Islamic Caliphate, or Vladimir Putin - and instead, declares the major problem to be Ebola, which has no way to become endemic in the United States.

When one doesn't know how to solve real problems, it becomes necessary to invent fake ones. Those are easier to solve.

That is why the Islamists, instead of confronting their own squalor and barbarism, are fighting America. That is why Putin, instead of confronting theft and corruption in Russia, is fighting America and Ukraine. And Obama, instead of confronting Putin and the Islamists, is fighting against Ebola.

Oleg Atbashian, a writer and graphic artist from the former USSR, is the author of Shakedown Socialism, of which David Horowitz said, "I hope everyone reads this book." In 1994 he moved to the U.S. with the hope of living in a country ruled by reason and common sense, appreciative of its freedoms and prosperity. To his dismay, he discovered a nation deeply infected by the leftist disease of "progressivism" that was arresting true societal progress. American movies, TV, and news media reminded him of his former occupation as a visual propaganda artist for the Communist Party. Oleg is the creator of a satirical website ThePeoplesCube.com, which Rush Limbaugh described on his show as "a Stalinist version of The Onion." His graphic work frequently appears in the American Thinker


Yulia Latynina is one of Russia's most prominent journalists and critics of Putin's government. She is a columnist for Novaya Gazeta and The Moscow Times, as well as a popular talk show host at the Echo of Moscow radio station. In 2008, Latynina was presented the U.S. government's Freedom Defenders Award by Condoleezza Rice. She has authored more than twenty fiction books, including crime drama and science fiction.

Latynina is also one of my favorite Russian-language columnists. She describes herself as a libertarian, although if she were to live in the U.S., she would probably be considered a conservative author of the magnitude of Ann Coulter, Mark Steyn, and Rush Limbaugh.

The following is one of her latest essays, in my translation. It was slightly shortened and edited to account for the differences in Russia's and America's broader polemical contexts.

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"Ebola in America" and other fake problems

By Yulia Latynina

Originally published in Russian in Novaya Gazeta, Sept. 27, 2014

Speaking at the United Nations, President Obama called Ebola a major threat to humanity. The second place in this Threat-to-Humanity Olympics went to President Putin, with the Islamic Caliphate taking the bronze.




I'm naturally offended that my Russia didn't finish first, but I'd rather talk about Ebola than about Putin. The Western TV commentators are as terrified of Ebola as the Russian TV commentators are terrified of what they call "Ukrainian fascists." "The mortality rate is 90%," claims the WHO. "The virus attacks the soft tissues of the body, kidneys, liver, blood vessels, literally melting everything into one bloody mess." "There are no drugs or vaccines from Ebola." The horror!

Let me ask a few inconvenient questions.

Africa has been a repeated source of terrible epidemics. In the middle of the sixth century AD, a plague that came from Africa to the Roman Empire killed in different areas 30 to 80 percent of the population. In the middle of the fourteenth century, a plague that came from Africa to Europe, killed in different areas 30 to 80 percent of the Europeans. Since airplanes weren't in existence, the plague traveled by ship, rat, and flea. And in the twentieth century, with the advancements in air travel, Africa also gave us AIDS.

The Ebola virus (in its several varieties) has existed in Africa for thousands of years. How come this menace, which is worse than Putin and ISIS, has never caused epidemics similar to the plague, smallpox, or cholera, and was discovered only in 1976?

How come that since 1976, all of the 13 outbreaks of Ebola never left Africa, and even there the number of victims has been relatively small? (In 2007, the outbreak in Uganda claimed 37 lives, and the one in 2012 resulted in 17 deaths).

Let's look at the facts.

First. The WHO says that mortality from Ebola is "up to 90%." It's a lie. More precisely, it's a special kind of lie, which in Islam is known as taqiyya. This is when the words formally represent the truth, but because of the way they are phrased, the audiences hear something else.

Ebola reached 90% mortality only once, in 2003, in the Congo, where 128 people died out of 143 infected. But the current epidemic has the mortality rate of about 50%, and there were epidemics, when the rate dropped to 25%. We will later discuss what exactly, apart from the difference in the strains of viruses, causes such dissimilar death rates.

Second, very important. How does Ebola spread? The answer is that it's not airborne. It is spread only through contact with blood or bodily fluids. The semen of a man who survived Ebola can remain a source of infection for up to three months.

In plain language, an Ebola epidemic can only happen in the total absence of hygiene. Therefore, the WHO statement on page one of its brochure on Ebola that the virus is spread "from person to person" is plain panic-mongering by means of the same taqiyya, that is, lying by withholding information. A virus that is only transmitted if one is using an infected syringe or a Third-World toilet, cannot cause an epidemic in the developed world.

Third, even more important. Ebola attacks different organs, but the main cause of death usually is, just as it is with cholera, dehydration. Give the patient enough fluids and administer an IV with saline solution to replenish the escaping potassium and magnesium, and the 90% mortality rate will become a 90% survival rate. Those "melting" internal organs aren't caused by the virus, but are the result of the disappearing vital minerals that are being washed away through diarrhea and vomiting.

Fourth. Those Americans diagnosed with Ebola were all infected in Africa, bringing the disease to the United States. The death rate among them is zero. All have recovered and one is still being treated. The American doctors are admitting they aren't sure what has helped more: the drugs or the general supportive care.

In 1972, an American doctor Thomas Cairns doing missionary work in the Congo, cut himself with a scalpel during an autopsy on a patient who had died of Ebola - a disease yet unknown to medical science. He survived because his wife, even under those conditions, treated him with a basic drip.

Fifth. That there is no cure for Ebola is also a lie. There already exist drugs like TMK-Ebola and ZMapp. If the medical bureaucracy is screaming into our ears about the terrible threat from Ebola, while being too clumsy and incompetent to approve the anti-Ebola drugs, that only means the deadly threat comes not as much from Ebola as from the bureaucracy itself. The same way, one can ban all TB medications and then scream, "Tuberculosis is fatal! There's no cure!" By the way, the Japanese flu medication, Favipiravir, also helps with Ebola.

Sixth. That there is no vaccine for Ebola is also a lie. The vaccine exists; it was created by GlaxoSmithKline. At the beginning of the epidemic a few months ago, GlaxoSmithKline contacted the WHO with the offer to help, but was politely told to make itself scarce.

Seventh. The fact that the medical bureaucracy is sitting on its hands and still hasn't approved the drugs and the vaccines for this dangerous disease (the devastating effect of Ebola on the human body is hard to overestimate) means only what most doctors already know: the wealthy developed countries aren't under any real threat from the Ebola epidemic.

To summarize: Ebola epidemics occur only in Africa, due to the disastrous lack of hygiene and just as disastrous lack of healthcare. There is no chance that the virus, which is transmitted through vomit and contaminated syringes, and kills by dehydration, can create an epidemic in the United States, in Russia, or even in Albania.

The Ebola story is very similar to that of the Haitian earthquake. Remember how in 2010, a 7.0 point earthquake killed 220,000 people in Haiti? A few months later, a much stronger, 8.8 point earthquake in Chile killed about 700 people. Keep in mind that each whole-number point represents a 32-fold increase in released energy, and that the magnitude of 7.0 corresponds to the lower limit of a major earthquake.

That is, the Haitians were dying not so much because of the earthquake as because of the squalor and lack of proper construction materials. In the modern world, all devastating catastrophes (well, almost all) result not from natural disasters, but from disasters that are social and political. It is true for the viruses as much as it is for the earthquakes.

One of the original sources of the Ebola infection is the meat of our cousins - [bleep], gorillas, and monkeys. This is practically cannibalism: [bleep] have the mind of a 4-year-old human child. Would you eat a 4-year-old child? In the Congo, they eat not only apes and monkeys, but also pygmies.

Today's Ebola epidemic, the largest in history, has killed 2,900 people out of 6,200 infected. Did you know that every single year, according to the same WHO, 250,000-500,000 people die of the flu?

So what do we have in conclusion? We have poor African countries, where Ebola - no doubt a terrible disease - is only one of the symptoms of a major social disease known as the failed state. We also have the international bureaucracy, incapable of quickly approving new drugs and vaccines because of its large size and incompetence, while at the same time screaming, "Give us more money so we can save humanity from destruction!" And we have President Obama, who can't even cope with real problems - whether it's the 50 million Americans on food stamps, or the Islamic Caliphate, or Vladimir Putin - and instead, declares the major problem to be Ebola, which has no way to become endemic in the United States.

When one doesn't know how to solve real problems, it becomes necessary to invent fake ones. Those are easier to solve.

That is why the Islamists, instead of confronting their own squalor and barbarism, are fighting America. That is why Putin, instead of confronting theft and corruption in Russia, is fighting America and Ukraine. And Obama, instead of confronting Putin and the Islamists, is fighting against Ebola.

Oleg Atbashian, a writer and graphic artist from the former USSR, is the author of Shakedown Socialism, of which David Horowitz said, "I hope everyone reads this book." In 1994 he moved to the U.S. with the hope of living in a country ruled by reason and common sense, appreciative of its freedoms and prosperity. To his dismay, he discovered a nation deeply infected by the leftist disease of "progressivism" that was arresting true societal progress. American movies, TV, and news media reminded him of his former occupation as a visual propaganda artist for the Communist Party. Oleg is the creator of a satirical website ThePeoplesCube.com, which Rush Limbaugh described on his show as "a Stalinist version of The Onion." His graphic work frequently appears in the American Thinker


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Great article..


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what has sparked my interest isn't the nurse, but the cameraman that was with the NBC doctor.

He contracted it while wearing all the protective gear, getting sprayed down with a bleach solution and burning gloves/masks, etc.,

From the reporting of Dr. Snyderman, I think you could tell she was visibly shook up by the cameraman getting it. Now who knows - he may have been running around naked having sex with Ebola prostitutes for all I know when they weren't reporting , but clearly this was a team that was fully aware of the risk and took all the known precautions while doing their job, and a team member still came down with it.

From their NBC News site interview with Snyderman

----ALL WEEK HERE WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING STRICT SAFETY PROTOCOLS, SPRAYING OUR SHOES WITH BLEACH, KEEPING OUR HANDS SANITIZED. TAKING OUR TEMPERATURE AT LEAST TWICE A DAY. 36.3. EXCELLENT. OUR CAMERAMAN, ASHOKA MUKPO WAS ALSO TAKING THESE PRECAUTIONS. HE'S A 34-YEAR-OLD JOURNALIST FROM RHODE ISLAND BEEN ON ASSIGNMENT IN LIBERIA FOR THE PAST FOUR WEEKS WORKING FOR SEVERAL NEWS ORGANIZATIONS. ON TUESDAY WE HIRED HIM TO WORK WITH US. AND WEDNESDAY EVENING HE SAID HE WASN'T FEELING WELL. A ROUTINE CHECK SHOWED HIS TEMPERATURE WAS ELEVATED. HE QUICKLY SOUGHT MEDICAL TREATMENT............GREETINGS ARE DONE AT A DISTANCE. NO HANDSHAKES. NO HUGS. FOR HEALTH CARE WORKERS LAYERS OF PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT ARE REQUIRED. IT'S A PAINSTAKING PROCESS. WE WERE BROUGHT INTO A ROOM WHERE VERY SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY OUR PLASTIC PROTECTIVE SUITS, MASKS, GLOVES AND GOGGLES WERE REMOVED PIECE BY PIECE. THEY WERE THEN THOROUGHLY DOUSED WITH A BLEACH SOLUTION AND INCINERATED.





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'It is also possible that a tiny amount of Ebola-containing liquid splashed on the protective garments, and then was transferred to her skin while removing the protective clothing.'
RIGOROUS INFECTION PREVENTION AND CONTROL GUIDANCE SHOULD PROTECT HEALTHCARE WORKERS FROM CONTRACTING DEADLY EBOLA The World Health Organisation (WHO) has set out infection prevention and control guidance, which should be followed by all countries.


Should protect? Are you f'ing kidding me? Who is going to trust their lives to this kind of BS?


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Having been in a profession which required the use of Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), all the way up to Level "A", and having used that equipment, I'd like to throw in my $0.02.

Noted in the interview with the Belgian researcher who first identified and isolated what we now know as the Ebola virus, PPE is not universally utilized, even in societies (India for example) with advanced medical training.

Just as with Rule #1 in a gunfight is "Have a gun", there is a Rule #1 in haz-mat scenarios, including biologicals. That Rule #1 is "Have PPE"
Rule #2 is; "Have enough PPE". That implies the requirement to properly utilize the PPE, including donning and doffing it. One small mistake, be it caused by fatigue, apathy, inattention, or ignorance, can , and will cause failure.

It is not known if the Spanish nurse followed every PPE procedure every time, or how the transmission occurred, or even if the PPE she was using is good enough.

Every image I've seen in the media of medical and transport personnel in this country responding to the known or suspected Ebola virus has shown them to be in appropriate PPE. From what I've learned here from Miles, DocRocket, and others, Level C protection will prevent contamination, and that is what the folks have been wearing.

To think that, somehow this virus slipped past properly utilized PPE without human error, is delving into science fantasy, not science fact.

There are much greater everyday threats to our health and well being than this "disaster du jour".

Thanks, Miles, Doc, and others for helping me to better understand what threat this virus really is at this time.

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Originally Posted by FlaRick
Miles, you are just too rude and dense to continue to have any kind of discussion with. My two year old grandson has more sense and better manners than you. The whole world says this is a first case but you say otherwise. You are the special one!

Adios, my friend. I never thought that I would do it, but it is off to ignore land for you.
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Dr CJ Peters, a viral research scientist from UT (The University) says we don't know that Ebola is not spread by air in tight quarters.


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Originally Posted by JimD.
MILES, thanks for your comments on all this. But to what you stated above, history shows when there is money and power there is evil. Humans since the dawn of time have tried to find better, more efficient ways to kill, to get more money and power. What better or easier way than to use a disease process to not only kill your enemy but also to totally destroy the economy, food producing ability and infrastructure.
It used to be that biological weapons took a great deal of expertise and money to produce. It's for good reason they have been outlawed by international bodies. Now, with the advent of fundamental islamists who want to die for their satanic cult, all it might take is a trip to Africa and another to their targeted country to infect and kill dozens, hundreds, or thousands. Add to that a traitorous whitehouse, whose goal is to do as much harm to America as possible, and the populous should begin considering options not typically a consideration.


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It'll get better eventually, but I'm expecting a rough ride in some parts of the USA for the next few months. Death tolls won't be west Africa-high, but they'll be high enough to create a whole lot of chaos.


Yup. Chicken little and head-in-the-sand guy are both well-distanced from reality.

The bottom line is that if you stick a needle into someone with AIDS, then stick it immediately into yourself, the transmission rate is around 1%.

Anyone really think the Ebola transmission rate of such an act is around 1%?

Didn't think so. It isn't the end of the world, but it isn't something to ignore either, and isolation of potential carries is something that should be done, including travellers to and from areas where it is in outbreak mode.


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Dr CJ Peters, a viral research scientist from UT (The University) says we don't know that Ebola is not spread by air in tight quarters.


Droplet transmission and airborn transmission are two different things, and require different isolation techniques.

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Rush says that the experts in Western Europe are expecting a lot of deaths there from Ebola.

Wouldn't closing down flights be worth it to save just one child, he asks.


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Originally Posted by eyeball
Rush says that the experts in Western Europe are expecting a lot of deaths there from Ebola.

Wouldn't closing down flights be worth it to save just one child, he asks.


It's only good common sense to isolate and insulate against the spread of a fatal disease that the degree of communicability isn't known yet.

But, our borders remain open for liberal PC reasons.


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