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I didn't realize the .204 has become so popular.
Why is that???
Less fur sewing......
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.17/204, best of both worlds.
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I thought for sure that it would be about the .22-250 and .223 I didn't realize the .204 has become so popular.
Why is that???
Same reason married men bang fat strangers. Just something new to try. Travis
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gentlemen....you are absolutely right. I should of stated ...predators of rabitts and such.... not predators of ME ...lol
I thought for sure that it would be about the .22-250 and .223 I didn't realize the .204 has become so popular.
Why is that??? Because it was pimped hard by gunwriters and manufacturers for a few years as "the next big thing", in order to sell more rifles. I have yet to see anything the 204 will do that a 223 loaded with 40s won't do just as well, except cost more money for a new sub-caliber cleaning rod & accessories.
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Have to agree with prairie goat on his assessment of the 204.
One way to gauge a cartridges popularity is to see where it sets on the amount of loading dies being sold for it. It takes a little searching on google but there is a listing of the most popular RCBS dies and the 204 is way down on the list whereas the 223 is still near the top. A few years ago when it was the latest fad it was nearer the top but now it has fallen way down the list.
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I'm also with prairie goat. A 223 can be used with a wide range of bullet weights, with the lightest ones as fast as the 204 and heavy bullets the 204 can't use.
That said, the caliber need varies with the size of the varmint. I used a 220 for years, but then the hogs showed up on our place. The 55 gr BT didn't put them down firmly enough. I'm trying out the new 64 gr Nosler BSB, which stabilized in my 220 (so far).
For front yard use (front pasture, actually), I use the 223 with the 40 gr Nosler BT. Kind of an amazing bullet, with the way it'll knock a coyote FLAT. If hunting small varmints (coyote and smaller) that's a great bullet.
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Listen people...
He asked which is the BEST. The .223 is good. Even great. But not the BEST predator cartridge.
That seat belongs to the .17 Rem. Always has, always will.
Travis
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One way to gauge a cartridges popularity is to see where it sets on the amount of loading dies being sold for it. It takes a little searching on google but there is a listing of the most popular RCBS dies and the 204 is way down on the list whereas the 223 is still near the top. A few years ago when it was the latest fad it was nearer the top but now it has fallen way down the list. I'm going to go out on a limb with a guess that this little factoid has something to do with the current administration, and the latest "the sky is falling" mentality of people who thought AR's were going to be banned. Which caliber is most popular to the 'Zombies" are coming crowd, the .223....just a SWAG on my part though. Has more to do with that than which caliber is most popular in the predator hunting world, for sure.
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Scenarshooter might be the guy to talk to about this. Thinking he does it for a living, although I don't know if he cares about being fur friendly.
I believe he uses a 6 Creedmoore and a few other bigger cartridges.
My favorite is a 22-250 AI with 55 Sierra BK's. I had to learn how to sew, but don't usually have to look for a runner.
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A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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Back when I fur hunted and trapped for a living I used my 220 Swift at first. It did a good job but bullet selection was critical. The Speer 52 grain HP (the old one with the huge hp) and the Sierra 55 grain Game King were the only two I came to depend on for not tearing things up to badly on coyotes. The Speer rarely exited and the Sierra almost always did but with a reasonable exit wound (1.5" or less generally).
Then along came my first 17 Remington. After that, the Swift, and the rest of my 22 centerfires languished in the safe, only to come out during the off season when saving fur was not a concern.
I'm with Travis on this one. No better fur cartridge exists than the 17 Remington.
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17 Rem., 17-204, or a 204. These are fur friendly on Coyotes, hands down.
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What do you consider to be the best cartridge for predators? Depends on which predator and whether you're after fur to sell or just want to make them dead. I'm kind of partial to a 7mm STW with 120 grain ballistic tips over 2-1/2 shovel-fulls of 7828. For a kinder, gentler sort of dead, .17 Remington works pretty well. Anything in between is fine for some situation or other. Tom
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Listen people...
He asked which is the BEST. The .223 is good. Even great. But not the BEST predator cartridge.
That seat belongs to the 222 Rem magnum. Always has, always will.
Travis I have to agree...
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It would be even better if necked down to .204.
Oops! Guess that's what basically happened in 2004. But apparently some people are ALWAYS at least a decade behind the times....
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Too bad nobody necks it down to .17. That'd be kinda cool.
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Too bad nobody necks it down to .17. That'd be kinda cool.
Travis Travis, years ago, Jim Carmichel built a .17-222 magnum on a Sako action, which i'm sure was mighty fine medicine on pasture poodles. i believe he went the other way too--a 6x47 for paper punching...
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20 Practical & 40 V max @ 3900
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Do you know the details on preferred gr of bullet and barrel twist?
This sounds like the perfect solution for anything under #60.
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I took a 17-222 Mag. to Travis and he was scared to use it.....he Ubed himself.
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