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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.

If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.

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Originally Posted by poboy
I was alive and 10yrs old. Why is everybody cheering?


Yes I was present in Ft. Worth the day before when he arrived at Carswell AFB. But, for the record, I was not in Dallas the next day for all the hoopla. I could not get out of Mrs. Boynton's 2nd grade class at Waverly Park elem school and make the drive on the toll road to Dallas. Otherwise I may have been the only collateral damage that day. Then I would not be here to entertain.

As a caveat, I have heard rumors that Kennedy was not the intended target. It was Governor Connelly! He had heap enemies back in the day.

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Originally Posted by HilhamHawk
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Name me one other even half-ass secret the goobermint has managed to keep secret for half a century.

It's bullscheet.


The UFO crash in Roswell........


Well Rocky, you asked for a half-ass secret and you got one.

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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Originally Posted by AFTERUM
the fatal shot came from the front......


Disagree. The fatal shot came from the 6th floor of the school book depository, just like the Warren Commission said.

This has been proven beyond all doubt, through computer animation.


Really? You disbelieve everything about .gov but take the Warren as proof?

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Trust me, having actually measured bullets and bullet holes after they hit stuff in a criminal forensic capacity(wildlife, but this stuff still ends up in court), it is EXTREMELY difficult to tell an actual caliber of anything other than a bullet shank. And even then, those are often distorted, and in a case I'm very familiar with, we know the rifle it came from (.270), but if I measure the shank in one spot I can get .304, in another I can get .257.
So, I don't know where this 6mm idea came from, but if it's from skin, that is EXTREMELY elastic. If it's from skull, it may be because the bullet distorted or squeezed itself down slightly. And half a millimeter isn't much. Anyway, I can see how someone might confuse a hole caused by a 6.5mm for a 6mm bullet.

Oh and to throw more gas on this and run away, 6mm equals 0.236 inches, not .243 in case you were wondering.


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I thought Donahue's book did the best job of looking at the ballistic evidence in a scientific manner. He stuck with material evidence and left conspiracy theories to the crackpots.

It's not inconceivable that the SS agent didn't even know he fired the 'fatal shot' at the time. With LHO already a verified perp and the fact that the neck/chest shot would've most likely been fatal anyway, there was no reason to not to sew the story up nice and tight.

Donahue mentions that spectroanaylsis of the brain frags could've proved the origins of the bullet--had they been allowed to be tested. The book is definitely worth a read, in any case.


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Originally Posted by chickasaw_hunter
No. No they didn't. I wasn't in the follow up car in Dallas that day. I had coworkers that were. I was in High School twenty miles away, but eleven years later I was working in the Dallas Field Office, we didn't have M-16s even then. If you can believe this guy who's writing all the tell all Secret Service books, they still don't have AR platform weapons. I'd be really interested in seeing this picture of the M-16 in the film, can someone post it?

It seems the further away we get in time from the event the nuttier the theory's get.


Nobody disputes the fact that there was an AR15 in the car behind Kennedy. Nor do they dispute the fact that it was deployed upon the first shot by Agent George Hickey.

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Thank you for posting the picture, this is the first time I've seen it. And, you are right I'm quite happy with my "delusions". I had no intent to insult you in my comments.


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I'm not insulted. I frankly don't even believe the theory that much, about the SS killing Kennedy... wink

But, some theories beat what we were lead to believe about a heavy bullet ricocheting, changing directions, and hitting multiple targets....as was what was told us for a couple or 3 decades.

One thing I CAN count on, is that the government won't tell us the truth, even if they possess it.


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Oh they posses it, which is why they won't tell the truth.


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If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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The MSN homepage has a very interesting story from the Washington Post (which probably would also be a place to find it) about a trial involving one of the myriad compartmentalized facets of the government (this one Navy) that run their own operations completely without oversight.


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Originally Posted by tjm10025
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
I was alive and cognizant at the time. The various conspiracy theories then and now were so convoluted, so complex, and so unconvincing that I have never varied from the principle of Ockham's Razor: the simplest explanation is probable true.

It was Oswald. Alone. Period.


(Sound of crickets.)


Actually, if the "Razor" principle is applied when viewing ALL the strange happenings surrounding the JFK assassination, a cover up IS the simplest explanation.


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Its a cottage Industry, it sells books and what not, what really happened was that Lee Harvey Oswald, took a shot at General Walker and missed, they published JFK Route and that he would be in an Open Limo, it as about politics and getting Democrats elected. JFK was all trussed up do to a very bad back problems and could not bend very well, and from the Window it was just a little over 65 yards distance, going away, an easy shot. Oswald was a Communist and he did it on his own, Then Jack Ruby for reasons in his own mind, was able to get close to Oswald and make an even bigger mess! Its nothing new, look at the 9/11 event we know what happened and how, but there are all kinds of theories to say other wise. It was a tragic day to be sure, but it was Oswald and Oswald alone because fate just put it in his lap and he was able to fire three shots and make two hits. The rest is just about how I can get my book published and how many fools will buy it, I spent a lot of years hunting big game, and some times the eye see what the eyes want to see, a good set a bino's helps but some times that deer looks a lot smaller on the ground that when you had the sights on it!

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Boy, the Russians sure have done a great job with this...


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Unless i skipped through it, that simulation does not address JFK's head shot. Single-bullet pass-through hitting JFK and Connelly is the easy part.

Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Here's the vid that sealed it for me. There is no doubt, he was shot from the rear.

That doesn't mean that a conspiracy never transpired or that Oswald wasn't what he said he was, a patsy.



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Originally Posted by AKA_Spook
Having watched the video more than a few times... I cant imagine anyone thinking the last shot came from the rear ?
Funny, I can't imagine anyone who knows the first thing about guns to think the shot came from the front.

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Originally Posted by gmsemel
Its a cottage Industry, it sells books and what not, what really happened was that Lee Harvey Oswald, took a shot at General Walker and missed, they published JFK Route and that he would be in an Open Limo, it as about politics and getting Democrats elected. JFK was all trussed up do to a very bad back problems and could not bend very well, and from the Window it was just a little over 65 yards distance, going away, an easy shot. Oswald was a Communist and he did it on his own, Then Jack Ruby for reasons in his own mind, was able to get close to Oswald and make an even bigger mess! Its nothing new, look at the 9/11 event we know what happened and how, but there are all kinds of theories to say other wise. It was a tragic day to be sure, but it was Oswald and Oswald alone because fate just put it in his lap and he was able to fire three shots and make two hits. The rest is just about how I can get my book published and how many fools will buy it, I spent a lot of years hunting big game, and some times the eye see what the eyes want to see, a good set a bino's helps but some times that deer looks a lot smaller on the ground that when you had the sights on it!


Like I said in another post, now it's COOL for you N.E. "Elites" to believe the Warren Commission and not the House investigation.

I reckon I've probably killed about as many deer as you have in my 60 years of hunting them and they shed not one bit of light on JFK getting killed [ which was a good thing, btw] since I never SAW JFK being shot.

There is no comparison between the ragheads flying planes into buildings on 911 and the JFK deal. You need to find a more apt comparison, and........ lay off the condescending tone in your posts.


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Simpletons believe what Government want them to believe.. as simple as that.


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Please allow me to introduce myself
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How many times do I have to tell you people!
I KILLED KENNEDY!

p.s. I was born in 1965.


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