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What do you think is the ultimate source for a personal moral compass?
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Without a doubt it is instilled by a Creator God.
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What made this country great was freedom, the freedom to succeed or fail. The great thing about Christianity, Christ's version, is the freedom to succeed or fail. Both are parallel philosophically.
The philosophy of restricting success while eliminating the concept of failure, is far more reaching than just an antichristianity agenda.
There's no doubt that a free society meshes smoother with a christian society, much better than a socialist one.
But christianity survives with or without america... and america only survives with freedom.
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Yeah, Christians have really screwed things up, antlers. We don't let unmarried folks make babies to grow up on welfare, we make everyone declare allegiance to Jesus or kill them, we don't allow anyone to have an abortion, women aren't allowed birth control, we don't allow poor folks to go on vacation to Hawaii or Las Vegas and buy food with EBT cards, ....
This is a reply to a dumb [bleep] who doesn't know what an ER surgeon is. Yea, the 'WE' stuff is very telling. You are the problem, it's funny to see.
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In fact, substitute 'I' for 'We' in Eyesockets post and I'd swear I was reading a Safariman post.
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arguing with atheists is about as unproductive as trying to argue with liberals.
Maybe it's because all atheists ARE liberals. That's just not true. I'm an atheist, but I'm not a liberal.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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What do you think is the ultimate source for a personal moral compass? A personal moral compass is, by definition, PERSONAL. But even if you are a self professed Christian who thinks your morals derive from the bible, you are still picking and choosing from a small portion of the Bible. Do any of the Christians present really believe it's acceptable to slaughter an entire town just so you can take all the virgin women for yourselves, or keep slaves, and beat those slaves so long as you don't beat them to death? Of course not, which means your own moral compasses transcends that of the Bible. A true moral compass is routed in the understanding of how one's actions effect the states of well being, and suffering of others. This is why the vast majority of Christians are Cafeteria Christians who pick the good parts of the bible and ignore the bad.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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What made this country great was freedom, the freedom to succeed or fail. The great thing about Christianity, Christ's version, is the freedom to succeed or fail. Both are parallel philosophically.
The philosophy of restricting success while eliminating the concept of failure, is far more reaching than just an antichristianity agenda.
There's no doubt that a free society meshes smoother with a christian society, much better than a socialist one.
But christianity survives with or without america... and america only survives with freedom.
Kent excellent point
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curdog4570, The Constitution of the U.S. and the Bible are piss-poor substitutes for a personal moral compass. You don't seem to understand. Without the Bible everyone's moral compass is correct. That's why Muzzies can cut off someone's head with a clear conscience. That's why inner city kids can steal with a clear conscience. There has to be an Absolute Standard against which we correct our moral compass !
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antelope_sniper,
Originally Posted By: George_De_Vries_3rd
What do you think is the ultimate source for a personal moral compass?
A personal moral compass is, by definition, PERSONAL.
But even if you are a self professed Christian who thinks your morals derive from the bible, you are still picking and choosing from a small portion of the Bible. Do any of the Christians present really believe it's acceptable to slaughter an entire town just so you can take all the virgin women for yourselves, or keep slaves, and beat those slaves so long as you don't beat them to death? Of course not, which means your own moral compasses transcends that of the Bible.
A true moral compass is routed in the understanding of how one's actions effect the states of well being, and suffering of others. This is why the vast majority of Christians are Cafeteria Christians who pick the good parts of the bible and ignore the bad.
You are showing what happens when someone uses their own ideas for their moral compass. You either blindly follow liars or intelligently and purposefully distort the position of Christians by bringing up the Old Testament. The Old Testament is a history of the beginning of the world and Jewish history. If you don't mind try to prove your point by using the Words of the Christ and His apostles, the founders of Christianity, to show Christians are picking and choosing. Ephesians 2:20-22"built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy [q]temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit."
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curdog4570, The Constitution of the U.S. and the Bible are piss-poor substitutes for a personal moral compass. You don't seem to understand. Without the Bible everyone's moral compass is correct. That's why Muzzies can cut off someone's head with a clear conscience. That's why inner city kids can steal with a clear conscience. There has to be an Absolute Standard against which we correct our moral compass ! So..... according to you, there were no moral men prior to Jesus? Wasn't Noah a "preacher of righteousness" according to the bible you thump so loudly? And... there are some Atheists who put many Christians to shame in the morality department. I'm betting Antelope Sniper is one. His only fault is responding to my posts from a biblical angle when I never mentioned the bible at all. 
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There has to be an Absolute Standard against which we correct our moral compass!
Oh, OK, that solves everything, except that your Absolute Standard may be different than someone or everyone else's. There's nothing that bothers me more than someone who knows the "truth" or has an "absolute standard" that they want to force on everyone else, whether they are peddling universal healthcare or choice waterfront lots in the afterlife.
"Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln
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You guys don't understand the idea of an Absolute Standard by which all standards can be compared.
[quote]Wasn't Noah a "preacher of righteousness" according to the bible you thump so loudly? Read the whole story. Noah used God's morality. I could say mine is best but then Antelope_Sniper could say his is best, and you guys could say yours is best. No matter how much we each like our own philosophical position it is flawed by sin; whether we want to admit it or not is irrelevant. If you push the idea of individual morality to its limits you will discover contradictions. With The Absolute Standard there is no contradiction.
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Perfection is perfection, I guess. But, it still is in the eye of the beholder. It must be great to know everything.
"Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln
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Perfection is perfection, I guess. But, it still is in the eye of the beholder. Here is a perfect example of a contradiction !
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"Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln
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Ringman has no world view. He is not OF this world, don't you know? Just him and God and their bible. Jesus ain't allowed to communicate with folks apart from Ringman's bible.
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"World" was a bad choice of words. I knew it, but I did not know what word to use in its place, and it was not worth the time to try to come up with a better one.
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Read the law and it will become clear.Rules for controlling sickness and diseases.Rules for nutrition.Rules on how to live including morals.Think about the people these rules were given to.One example would be not to kill a woman because she is raped.You getting the kind of people the law was given to.They needed it.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
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Read the law and it will become clear.Rules for controlling sickness and diseases.Rules for nutrition.Rules on how to live including morals.Think about the people these rules were given to.One example would be not to kill a woman because she is raped.You getting the kind of people the law was given to.They needed it. "So then as through one man's (Adam) transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, The Law came in so that the transgression would increase;
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