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Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack #9263849 10/17/14
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ crossfireoops OP Campfire Kahuna
OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	I know, there should be an over riding air of solemnity and "Gravitas" evident in discussing the demise of a fellow man, ...one of "God's Creatures" Looks to me to be one of those win / win situations, and as good a way to have one's earthly remains handled as any. Can't really see why the Fish Cops would want to "euthanize" the ursine undertaker / funeral director. I'm not saying I'd want to make bacon out of him, either. That would be like eating Wu's Pork, eh ? GTC Link: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-black-bear-eats-dead-man-20141017-story.html Authorities say a black bear ate the body of a Humboldt County man after he died of a heart attack on his way to check his water supplies. Marion Lee Williams, 65, died sometime last week not far from his property, which is where the bear had also apparently created a home for itself, said Humboldt County Deputy Coroner Roy Horton. The bear probably came across Williams, who had collapsed and died of a heart attack, then dragged his body into a cave to eat. Investigators used Williams' fingerprints, dentures and pieces of clothing to identify him. The California Department of Fish and Wildlife considered searching for the bear to potentially euthanize it, spokesman Andrew Hughan said. But the bear was long gone. "The bear does not pose a public threat," Hughan said. "It was just doing what bears do." Williams lived alone and "off the grid" in a trailer in the community of Briceland, six miles west of Redway, authorities said. He was last seen on Oct. 8, but his friends did not report him missing until Saturday. When his friends still hadn't heard from him, they searched his property and found his remains. Last edited by crossfireoops; 10/17/14. Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

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Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack crossfireoops #9263858 10/17/14
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Cariboujack Campfire Ranger C Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,737 Likes: 1 Palmer, Alaska	Quote ["The bear does not pose a public threat," Hughan said. "It was just doing what bears do.] How generous of Mr Hughan. I'm sure the family feels much better. NRA LIFE MEMBER GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS ESPECIALLY THE SNIPERS! "Suppose you were an idiot And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -Mark Twain

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack crossfireoops #9263861 10/17/14
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krp Campfire Ranger K Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,085 Likes: 2 arizona	I personally would like to have my remains 'recycled' through nature... my wife say's, gross... but really it's paying it forward. Kent

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack Cariboujack #9263863 10/17/14
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OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by Cariboujack Quote ["The bear does not pose a public threat," Hughan said. "It was just doing what bears do.] How generous of Mr Hughan. I'm sure the family feels much better. Ya' know, I think that (on behalf of the "Family") you should personally chase that bear down and slap him (or her) around a little. GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack crossfireoops #9263867 10/17/14
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Sheister Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 7,988 Likes: 3 Oregon	Okay, can someone explain to me how a forensic investigator can determine someone had a heart attack before he was eaten by a bear when they aren't even sure exactly when all this happened? Doesn't sound like there was enough left to identify him much less autopsy him by the statement above. Bob Never underestimate your ability to overestimate your ability.

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Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack krp #9263875 10/17/14
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OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by krp I personally would like to have my remains 'recycled' through nature... my wife say's, gross... but really it's paying it forward. Kent Can we use one of your well run Dutch Ovens or Frying pans to hold the big pile of Bear chit, kinda' prop the lid open for "Viewing" ? GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack Sheister #9263880 10/17/14
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eyeball Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 33,856	Originally Posted by Sheister Okay, can someone explain to me how a forensic investigator can determine someone had a heart attack before he was eaten by a bear when they aren't even sure exactly when all this happened? Doesn't sound like there was enough left to identify him much less autopsy him by the statement above. Bob Quite obviously, the bear did not eat the suckers hard heart. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants. If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack Sheister #9263883 10/17/14
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OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by Sheister Okay, can someone explain to me how a forensic investigator can determine someone had a heart attack before he was eaten by a bear when they aren't even sure exactly when all this happened? Doesn't sound like there was enough left to identify him much less autopsy him by the statement above. Bob You certainly make a coupla' good points, but it would be better to give this a day or two to "settle". What is the "Transit Time" for a Black Bear, anyhoo ? GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack eyeball #9263884 10/17/14
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eyeball Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 33,856	I don't suppose having a bear standing on one while eating their ass would cause a heart attack, now would it? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants. If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack eyeball #9263888 10/17/14
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OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Still, "Natural Causes" though. GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

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Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack crossfireoops #9263892 10/17/14
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krp Campfire Ranger K Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,085 Likes: 2 arizona	Originally Posted by crossfireoops Originally Posted by krp I personally would like to have my remains 'recycled' through nature... my wife say's, gross... but really it's paying it forward. Kent Can we use one of your well run Dutch Ovens or Frying pans to hold the big pile of Bear chit, kinda' prop the lid open for "Viewing" ? GTC ... and fondly say,'I knew him before he went to chit'... kent

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack Sheister #9263893 10/17/14
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Cariboujack Campfire Ranger C Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,737 Likes: 1 Palmer, Alaska	Originally Posted by Sheister Okay, can someone explain to me how a forensic investigator can determine someone had a heart attack before he was eaten by a bear when they aren't even sure exactly when all this happened? Doesn't sound like there was enough left to identify him much less autopsy him by the statement above. Bob If I may, they are just trying to make the family feel better on their father (or whatever) being eaten by a black bear. If they couldn't determine it was a heart attack, he would somehow get the blame anyway. "He surprised the bear" "He interrupted the bear" "He got between the bear and his cub or her" They are never going to say, geez I guess we should allow more hunting so bears are afraid of people. I have NEVER heard F&G say something like that. The person that was mauled/eaten/abused (whatever) is always at fault in their eyes. I'm tired of it. NRA LIFE MEMBER GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS ESPECIALLY THE SNIPERS! "Suppose you were an idiot And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself." -Mark Twain

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack krp #9263911 10/17/14
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OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by krp Originally Posted by crossfireoops Originally Posted by krp I personally would like to have my remains 'recycled' through nature... my wife say's, gross... but really it's paying it forward. Kent Can we use one of your well run Dutch Ovens or Frying pans to hold the big pile of Bear chit, kinda' prop the lid open for "Viewing" ? GTC ... and fondly say,'I knew him before he went to chit'... kent Try and schedule for Mesquite Bean Season, so the Bear droppings will have an interesting, visually pleasing aspect . If you give the Bear the diahrea, it'll have to be a "Closed Bucket" service. GTC Last edited by crossfireoops; 10/17/14. Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack Cariboujack #9263918 10/17/14
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OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by Cariboujack Originally Posted by Sheister Okay, can someone explain to me how a forensic investigator can determine someone had a heart attack before he was eaten by a bear when they aren't even sure exactly when all this happened? Doesn't sound like there was enough left to identify him much less autopsy him by the statement above. Bob If I may, they are just trying to make the family feel better on their father (or whatever) being eaten by a black bear. If they couldn't determine it was a heart attack, he would somehow get the blame anyway. "He surprised the bear" "He interrupted the bear" "He got between the bear and his cub or her" They are never going to say, geez I guess we should allow more hunting so bears are afraid of people. I have NEVER heard F&G say something like that. The person that was mauled/eaten/abused (whatever) is always at fault in their eyes. I'm tired of it. To wax serious for a moment, I think you're reading this 5 X 5. A GOOD coroner, under the right climatic conditions, can "Read" the ground under a body, (or where a body WAS,) and pretty much define time of death with bugs, molds, etc. If the fellow's that "Gone",....HTH do they know that somebody didn't plug, or stab him ? GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack crossfireoops #9263943 10/17/14
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krp Campfire Ranger K Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,085 Likes: 2 arizona	I just hope, after it all, I was worth a chit... Kent

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack krp #9263952 10/17/14
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OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by krp I just hope, after it all, I was worth a chit... Kent Legitimate concern,.....I just hope it's Bearable. Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack crossfireoops #9263960 10/17/14
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HawkI Campfire Ranger H Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 21,978 Likes: 1	I'm sure no crows pecked at Dad's carcass......nature genuflects at family wishes....rigor, livor and just plain hungry animals have no regard for sequence, unless we're talking Kent....

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack crossfireoops #9263971 10/17/14
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okok Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 14,742 NW	Too bad it wasn't you instead...you're past your shelf life. Jed York does not own the 49ers; Russell Wilson does.

Re: Black bear eats Northern California man who died of heart attack okok #9263981 10/17/14
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OP crossfireoops Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 53,303 Southeastern AZ	Originally Posted by okok Too bad it wasn't you instead...you're past your shelf life. Too bad you didn't read this AM's post from a member who advised you that you should suck off a Glock some months back,...and that everything you've had to say since is pretty much moot. That comment was a 10X GTC Member, Clan of the Border Rats -- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain

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okok Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 14,742 NW	F/O trespasser. Jed York does not own the 49ers; Russell Wilson does.

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