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OK, we all know it happens when a certain round performs all out of perportion to what would be exspected by reading the ballistics tables. Some rounds are just more than what yopu'd exspect.
For me it starts with the .250-3000. I know it's barely more than a .243 balistically, but the performance is dramatically different. There is no way the .250 is equal to the .243....it's so much more....and I'd actually place it as side-by-side with the .270. At long range (300+ yards) the .25-06 and .270 start to show their stuff, but at under 200 yards the .250 is just as good or better. Can't explain it with balistics, but it's there.
The .35 Remington is another that stands above it's ballistics profile. In energy and other measures it is only slightly more powerful than the .30-30.....but the results are so much more.
Probably most apparent is the .44 Magnum (in a rifle). I've never seen a round hit harder and give more reaction to the shot than a .44 magnum at under 100 yards. Maybe some other rounds do as well (I'm thinking .45-70) but not by much. Energy figures say no....but in-the-field results are different.
Has anyone else noticed this trend??
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300 Savage has been that way for me. At normal deer hunting ranges (under 300 yards), it's performed far better than I expected it to.
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Bullets.
What were the bullets used in the 250 and 243 to make your comparisons?
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.223....didn't exspect much.....and got what I exspected.
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Bullets???? If a cartridge needs "magic: bullets to perform.....it's not much of a cartridge.
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I've used the .25-20 on deer and found it more effective than the .223.....didn't exspect much from either and got what I exspected.
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Dead deer in both cases.....deer just aren't that tough
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.300 Savage is a good example.....not much different than a .308 and maybe better with 180 grain bullets.
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No, I've not noticed any magic, inexplicable, para-normal trend. Bullets tend to kill stuff right quick when they hit the proper spot on a critter and expand. Bullets???? If a cartridge needs "magic: bullets to perform.....it's not much of a cartridge. That explains a lot. [/thread]
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The Bermuda version hits harder
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The little 250 kills all out of proportion to it's size. I've had/have both the regular version and the Ackley version. The 90-115gr bullets are a death ray on deer and out to as far as a man can hold his gun still. powdr
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The little 250 kills all out of proportion to it's size. I've had/have both the regular version and the Ackley version. The 90-115gr bullets are a death ray on deer and out to as far as a man can hold his gun still. powdr
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Probably most apparent is the .44 Magnum (in a rifle). I've never seen a round hit harder and give more reaction to the shot than a .44 magnum at under 100 yards. Maybe some other rounds do as well (I'm thinking .45-70) but not by much. Energy figures say no....but in-the-field results are different.
Has anyone else noticed this trend??
I will have to admit, I haven't seen this trend and would suspect anyone that has shot more than a handgun cartridge at 100 yards, would not notice this trend either...
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No, I've not noticed any magic, inexplicable, para-normal trend. Bullets tend to kill stuff right quick when they hit the proper spot on a critter and expand. Bullets???? If a cartridge needs "magic: bullets to perform.....it's not much of a cartridge. That explains a lot. [/thread] No, no, no Jordan! Can't you see that it's about majic and not with how the bullets are constructed and where they go! Sheesh....
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