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Nothing shot would ever tell the difference but I am like others here. No reason why a 243 bores me to tears while the 6mm is so dear AND a 250 so cool.
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I only have one 250. I don't hunt with it much because it's in really good shape and I'm hard on guns. So my usual deer rifle is a 243. When I'm not carrying a 223. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a552/ad82208/0729131429a_zps83cf7c86.jpg) I hunt all my rifles hard....that is what they are for.
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243 or 250? YES. Either. Both. Lean to the 250 for most deer 243 for pronghorns works, bit explosive for my taste if not shooting "a fair piece over yonder". If you have one and not the other it's "shopping time", just so's you have an honest opinion.
Why does a man who is 50 pounds overweight complain about a 10 pound rifle being too heavy?
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6BR/105 can run w/a 250. Before I do a wildcat, I'd rather a 6.5x47 using 100-120gr. That said a member did a 6XC on a Montana - sweet!
Not much a 6mm-08 cannot do from paper thru black bear/caribou.
Both not a bad option, I had my eyes on a Cooper 250-3000, Ruger 1KA and 77RSI SS respectively.
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The .243 beat out the .250 not because "the gun writers" said it was better, but because SOME gun writers promoted it, including one very influential writer who basically designed it, Warren Page. (I always enjoy it when somebody claims all gun writers say the same thing.)
The .243 did have advantages when it appeared in 1955. One was a 1-10 twist, and most .250's didn't have a 1-10 at the time, but a 1-14 which didn't always shoot well with every 100-grain bullet. (Of course, Remington somehow bypassed this basic knowledge when they brought out the .244, also designed by Warren Page, but that's history.)
These days the .243 beats the .250 for SOME hunting because brass is far more available, plus a wider variety of bullets. But if you handload, you can use .22-250 brass in a .250, and in fact it's often better quality than today's .250 brass.
As far as killing deer there isn't any difference, unless you want to shoot them at 500+ yards, where the .243 wins because of (again) a far wider bullet selection for that task.
In cool factor the .250 wins easily, both because of its longer history and the older rifles still available. If you use a "modern" .250, with a Remington 700 or Savage action, stainless barrel, and synthetic stock you lose a lot of style points, but are still probably ahead of the .243.
If you Ackley Improve the .250 (as if it could be improved) you lose to the .243, whether the rifle's traditional or modern. In fact you might lose even more style points if you AI a .250 99 Savage.
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for my take, they are both the same generally speaking.
If interested in a few longer shots the 243 has it hands down.
I have more than a couple of dead deer with it past 500...
And a passle of em between 300-400 yards...
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The .243 beat out the .250 not because "the gun writers" said it was better, but because SOME gun writers promoted it, including one very influential writer who basically designed it, Warren Page. (I always enjoy it when somebody claims all gun writers say the same thing.)
The .243 did have advantages when it appeared in 1955. One was a 1-10 twist, and most .250's didn't have a 1-10 at the time, but a 1-14 which didn't always shoot well with every 100-grain bullet. (Of course, Remington somehow bypassed this basic knowledge when they brought out the .244, also designed by Warren Page, but that's history.)
These days the .243 beats the .250 for SOME hunting because brass is far more available, plus a wider variety of bullets. But if you handload, you can use .22-250 brass in a .250, and in fact it's often better quality than today's .250 brass.
As far as killing deer there isn't any difference, unless you want to shoot them at 500+ yards, where the .243 wins because of (again) a far wider bullet selection for that task.
In cool factor the .250 wins easily, both because of its longer history and the older rifles still available. If you use a "modern" .250, with a Remington 700 or Savage action, stainless barrel, and synthetic stock you lose a lot of style points, but are still probably ahead of the .243.
If you Ackley Improve the .250 (as if it could be improved) you lose to the .243, whether the rifle's traditional or modern. In fact you might lose even more style points if you AI a .250 99 Savage. Agree, the .250 is old-skool-cool...but it stops there.... The bullets make the .243. Current build in progress is a .243...wait for it...AI'd...in a synthetic stock...with a fast twist barrel... 
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MD my apologizes to you and all gun writers that I offended by lumping them into the same category - really didn't mean to do that...guess that the cynicism was lost - seriously just trying to have some fun?!
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As long as Nosler makes a deer suitable Partition and Hornady makes the same weight in an InterLock's I'm pretty happy regardless of case or diameter.
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Not a fan of the .243, no particular reason why. Had one, made me yawn.
Same here. Not sure what it is.......but the 243 and the 25-06.....ho-hum. ditto for me as well....but i do like my .250's. ![[Linked Image]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b179/FyrepowrX/2-CENTERFIRES/DSCF9611.jpg)
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PennDog,
No problem. I actually had my tongue partway in my cheek too.
Though a few years ago my wife and I had a table at a Montana gun show to sell some of our books. One guy came by and started looking at them, eventually figuring out I was the "gun writer" with my name on some of the covers.
He immediately went into a rant about how "all you gun writers say the .270 isn't enough for African game," and would not listen when I tried to say I'd seen the .270 wdo fine work in Africa. In fact I'd recently assured a friend that he didn't need to buy a new rifle for his first African safari, because his .270 would work fine.
But this guy evidently held some sort of grudge against all gun writers because of what some (or maybe one) had written! He would not shut up, and ranted on for at a least a couple of minutes before moving on down the aisle.
So yeah, maybe I am a little sensitized to anybody suggesting that all gun writers say the same things!
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So did Shrap ever come back and buy the book? JUST Kidding!  Mike
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Typical gunwriter answer.... 
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Which one would you prefer for hunting? 243
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I would go for the 250 my self...
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The correct answer is "both".
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.250 every time. Here's the Dakota: ![[Linked Image]](http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac1/shootinurse/Rifles/Rifles001.jpg) And the 700 Classic: ![[Linked Image]](http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac1/shootinurse/Rifles/004.jpg) 75gr V-max for varmints, 100gr Hornady for larger critters. The old 99 does a great job on everything with 87gr Hot-cores.
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MD, No problem (I am sensitive about generalities that are typically inaccurate in my line of business as well!)......guess my sense of humor needs refined My point was that I have seen no real world difference between the two - I do however have a REAL fondness for anything marked "250 Savage"......to the tune of 9+ rifles (have a couple of parts guns that I intend to make "whole" someday?!). It does nothing that the .243 won't do, but the converse is true as well and I guess I like the oldies!!! PennDog p.s. you guys are killing me - I see a couple of .250s I do not have!! My holy grail is a kurtz action - one of my buddies picked one up recently and I am terribly envious 
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I keep coming back to this thread and it's got me thinking.
Several years back I bought a LH Tikka Whitetail Hunter in .243. It's a great rifle with the best trigger of any rifle I own and it's very accurate with 100 grain bullets. The .243 killed deer just fine and left me no room to complain...
But, A couple of years ago I became infatuated with Savage model 99 rifles and bought one (on the 'fire) in .300 Savage and loved it.
A year later I bought a beautiful little 99 in .250 (again, here on the 'fire) and it's become my favorite rifle for deer hunting.
It's light, points well and with 87 grain Hot-Cor bullets is just the perfect killing machine for the deer here in N. Arkansas.
Since I got the .250 the Tikka has been gathering dust and will probably be sold since I enjoy hunting with the Savage so much more than the .243.
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