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Since this thread keeps limping along, I'll change my vote. I believe in the 51-rifle battery, since that's exactly how many centerfires are in my rifle collection right now.

You can easily round them all up in a few years of buying and trading, especially if you lose money on each deal.

I kinda liked your first advice.
Infatuation with fast twist is OK, but I have friends shooting longer .243 bullets out of 1/10 barrels and doing great.

And the .300 Winchester has always been a cornerstone cartridge, for me.

And I have enjoyed beating up on those staked to their anglophilic tendencies who tout the .30 Holland.
But am quickly coming to appreciate the rifle I recently gained in that chambering.

It's a particularly well set up M70. and is a joy to shoot...
Might just be what the .300 Win was intended to be...

haven't read the whole thing, someone mentioned .223 and 7mmm-08. Pretty good advice.

I'd recommend a .223 and a .308, in the same rifle and same scope, stocked the same.

then buy 1000 rd case of .223 and of .308.

If you shoot that up, you will know your rifles, and I expect you'll be a pretty good shot @ 1000 yds.

Sycamore

Pure rifle loonyism ,51 is a lot to treat properly without any of the others getting jealous!!!!!

I could make do with just an 06 or 7mmRM. Two, a 375 H & H and an 06. You have a practical 150 grain range with the 06 (100 to 250 grain bullets), and either cartridge can be loaded down and shot with cast bullets.

cat,

Have you tried out the Rem700 BDL stocked rifles? It seems to me that they would give you the stock fit that you desire (similar to the Vanguard). Likewise, the newer CDL stock might also fit you very well. If so, you've got some great factory options.

I would go a BDL Varmint Special in 243 (gets you a fast-enough twist for 105 grain bullets and will vaporize varmints if desired with a 55 grain bullet).

Match that with a standard BDL in 270, 7RM (the best choice), or 300WM (all of which will match the basic trajectory of the 243), depending on how much recoil you want to deal with. You'd have matching platforms with matching trajectories that get you where you want to go, and have all kinds of upgrade options available.

If you prefer, you can get a Rem700 "tactical" 223 heavy barrel with a 9 twist, and match that with a 30-06 to have all the same advantages.

Whelan: Hey we are playing games here...

This is for two rifles only and i am not limited to that. The Mashburn stays.

wiw,
A few pairs come to mind. I asked this question 20 years ago on the Shooters board. If I had only taken that advice and run with it... What a long, expensive, and largely fun journey it has been...;-)

Classic and practical: .30-06' and .375 H&H
Even more classic and less practical: .300 H&H & .375 H&H
Remington centric and fun: .223 Ackley Improved/7mm-08 Ackley Improved
Shootable and capable: 6mm Creedmoor/6XC and .308 Win/.30-06'
Just because: .257 Weatherby Magnum and .375 Weatherby Magnum

The last two are so sexy I just might have to build a pair...

The one thing I would keep in mind is to take a look at available brass, brass quality, bullet availability, etc.. I love the Holland twins but brass is either hard to get, damned expensive, or both. Same deal for the Weatherbys... Except for the Remington Brass on the former...

An efficient and FUN 6 combined with a heavy thirty would be hard to fault...

Regards, Matt.

It'd be real hard to beat the practicality of a 223 or 22-250 and a 308 or 7-08.

Think BC and velocity...

I.E. a 300WM w/ 165 Partitions at 3k and a 223AI with 75 AMax at 3k damn near shoot on top of each other. Only difference is the amount of recoil on your end and the amount of ass on the other.

Since drop is dialable and wind is voodoo, I'd get the voodoo factor as close as I could.

50 BMG and 17hmr.




Grin.... second choice 30/06 and .223.

Well, I spent the day taking my son hunting and it seems while I was out this thread took on a life of it's own!

I think what I need to do is build up a 51 gun battery like John, than I could probably take everyone's advice!

BTW, had a couple of 375's in the past. LOVE that round, maybe will get back to it some day. But just sold my last one, to finance this new rifle, so it will have to wait a while till I can do a full custom to get what I want. IE, when I don't have so many mouths to feed, and guns to buy for little ones!

More seriously, does any factory .243 (yes, for cost sake, I am limited to factory rifles) come in an 8 twist? The fastest I have seen as of yet are Remington and Savage, both with about a 9.25.

And if not, does it really matter to be limited to 90 grainers or whatever the limit would be? I just find it really hard to believe that all these great BC 6mm heavies can only be run out of custom guns, but maybe that is the truth of it?

As for the 7mm v the 300, still on the fence, but it will be one of these, I am quite sure. They both have their strengths to my mind.

On the BDL question someone posed, I have not really looked too carefully at these. I'll have a look at the site tonight and then maybe hit the shop tomorrow to give one a feel.

The one upside to the weatherby, other than it fits etc., is that I have a very good price from the custom shop on a rifle configured the way I want it, but also test fired (RC), and the data supplied to me. I don't think I could possibly have a custom built even close to the price, let alone have it test fired and guaranteed etc. Having the experience I have had in the past year with rifles, accuracy and lost savings, this mitigated risk has a lot of value to me at the moment.

Ha! I haven't seen Maiden since the late 80's....Lol I couldn't resist Eddie with a sniper rifle when I first saw it.

Since you have the 8 yr. old, either get a 223 or 243 twisted 1-8. Then get a 7mmRM and call it good. If you ever find yourself wanting larger, replace that old 375. You will have all the bases covered....[/quote]

Seems like the 7mag and a 243 has a lot of fans. Replacing the 375 will come someday, I hope. I'll need to do some additional research on both of these and what is available out there. But again, it seems popular.

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And I have enjoyed beating up on those staked to their anglophilic tendencies who tout the .30 Holland.
But am quickly coming to appreciate the rifle I recently gained in that chambering.

It's a particularly well set up M70. and is a joy to shoot...
Might just be what the .300 Win was intended to be...[/quote]

I have to admit, I have always loved the 300 h&h. That is such a classic cartridge, I thought that it would be cool to have with 375.

My friend was recently given one as a gift from his father. Pre-64 winchester, new condition unfired, in the box! I believe his grandfather bought it originally and just held on to it.

He has carefully laid the original stock aside, and put a McMillan on it, and took it hunting this year.

And I have always loved the .300 win. Or at least have used it from the mid 70s on.

I am coming to grips with the reality that some of the coolest rifles made were discontinued around the time that the .300W was introduced...

catorres1
Ruger has a 9 twist,Rem has a 9 1/8. Guys on here say they've shot 105g A-Max's out of them and the bullet stabilized.

I had a Rem. and shot a variety of 100g bullets with no problems.

I'm not aware of any factory 243 with an 8 twist

A lot of guys are shooting the 105 amax through 1/10 barrels and doing great with them...

I am a fan of concept. I use a .243 Win for the light cartridge and a .264 Win Mag as the heavy. I have used the 7mm Rem Mag in the heavy role and it worked great.

Both rifles are essentially identical except for the cartridge.

Mine are a bit heavier than your thinking but it works for me. This picture is 5 years old but except for a barrel replacement or 2 and a paint job now and then I have not change a thing.


I have shot a bunch of 105gr VLDs in factory Rem .243 Win with great results.

30-06 and .223,,,, yep sure is boring but it works

A little late to the thread and not as experienced as previous posters, but was in the same situation as you.

I have used the 7mmRM for hunting in the US. I have not shot any elk or bears, but from what I have read and seen, with 160gr Partitions, which is my load, I shouldn't be too handicapped should I get the chance to go after them.

Wanting to get some more practice and work at long range (and with a 5yo who at some point I want to get shooting) I thought hard, researched and settled on the .243win. As it turns out one came up in the classifieds here and it was too a Savage 110E. So now both are long actions Savages, even better.

So I have now 2 SaLvages in almost same config , the 7RM does have a wooden stock and 24" bbl, the 243 has the factory one tupper one and 22".
Re: twist rate, I just loaded up my first batch of 95gr BT rounds to see how it work, but with Fed 100gr factory stuff shot well. I have a friend that shoots 105 Amax with excellent results in M70. No need for custom barrels.

Reading opinions from more experienced user I guess I wasn't wrong in my choices... even if for the wrong reasons (the 7RM I bought used from a friend's friend, when I moved here so I just bought it on the cheap).