|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,766
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,766 |
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,312
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,312 |
My first rifle was a M70 and I love a 3 position safety for no other reason than that is what I shot for years. I've got a lot of rifles and I can make them work just fine without a three position safety, but I do prefer them. Only time I read Field and Stream is at the Doctors or Barbers.
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 22,884
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 22,884 |
TWO positions--on or off. No messing around, no wondering, no accidents in the middle, etc.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,453
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,453 |
Check out Rich Riely of High Tech Customs for a three position safety.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,312
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,312 |
TWO positions--on or off. That's what SHE said.
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,780
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,780 |
Is there anyone else that wishes Remington would make a three position safety on their 700's that locks the bolt when closed and can still unload the rifle with the safety in a safe position? Buy a winchester....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 14,408
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 14,408 |
My diploma is a DD214
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 563
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 563 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,586
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,586 |
No...but I do like the old 2-position safety lever that locked the bolt closed. Me too.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900 |
Good points about 3 position safeties: Bolt is locked when safety is fully engaged. This means bolt cannot be inadvertently moved slightly "up"which will case a misfire since action is not now fully cocked.Yes there is some hunting where hunting "hot" is required.If you never have had to hunt "hot" and hunt long enough, eventually, you will. With a Rem 700 safety not an issue if you constantly roll your thumb over the bolt handle to make sure it is fully "down" and not moved out of position by brush, or rubbing on your coat or the conduct of gremlins,which of course never happens to anyone on here. Provides a middle position to field strip bolt without special tools, dimes table tops etc,. This is handy when rifle gets cold and wet or frozen or immediate access to inside of bolt will be required for cleaning in the field. The Rem 700 lets you do this afield.....no? Also, prudent hand loaders always run loaded ammo through rifle prior to hunts.Firing pin can be removed easily and done safely. Also helpful to hand loaders when the bolt is used as a "feeler gauge"for sized cases with the firing pin removed. Shroud mounted safety less likely to be inadvertently hit when cycling rifle from shoulder in rapid fire, than a side tang mounted safety.Also less likely to freeze in place from snow and ice during tough conditions. (This may not be an issue from blinds or where weather does not go from freezing rain and snow to below freezing in the span of an hour or two). If you can't get a 3 position M70 safety from safe to "fire" in the span of a second or two, more familiarity and practice with the rifle is required.If a 3 position were such an impediment to moving a fully engaged safety to "fire", then guys like Harry Manners would not have ended a career as a PH untouched by dangerous game. The notion that we can't do the same in the presence of a little old deer or elk is hard to swallow. I didn't learn any of this reading F&S . Actually I can't recall that it was ever explained in that or any other magazine.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,161
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,161 |
Some folks just can't figure out how to safely carry and hunt with a hot rifle. For those, there's the M700.
Other folks know how and when to carry hot. For those, there are the M70's, M77's, Montana's, Mausers, et. al.
Don't try to turn a turd into a real hunting rifle.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,927
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,927 |
I don't care if it has 2 positions or 3. I do want the bolt handle locked down
Most people don't really want the truth.
They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,157
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,157 |
I've carried Remingtons hot for 35 years. 700's and 721's. Damn sure don't need a 3 position. Muskeg, you make no sense. mtmuley
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121 |
Good points about 3 position safeties: Bolt is locked when safety is fully engaged. This means bolt cannot be inadvertently moved slightly "up"which will case a misfire since action is not now fully cocked.Yes there is some hunting where hunting "hot" is required.If you never have had to hunt "hot" and hunt long enough, eventually, you will. With a Rem 700 safety not an issue if you constantly roll your thumb over the bolt handle to make sure it is fully "down" and not moved out of position by brush, or rubbing on your coat or the conduct of gremlins,which of course never happens to anyone on here. Provides a middle position to field strip bolt without special tools, dimes table tops etc,. This is handy when rifle gets cold and wet or frozen or immediate access to inside of bolt will be required for cleaning in the field. The Rem 700 lets you do this afield.....no? Also, prudent hand loaders always run loaded ammo through rifle prior to hunts.Firing pin can be removed easily and done safely. Also helpful to hand loaders when the bolt is used as a "feeler gauge"for sized cases with the firing pin removed. Shroud mounted safety less likely to be inadvertently hit when cycling rifle from shoulder in rapid fire, than a side tang mounted safety.Also less likely to freeze in place from snow and ice during tough conditions. (This may not be an issue from blinds or where weather does not go from freezing rain and snow to below freezing in the span of an hour or two). If you can't get a 3 position M70 safety from safe to "fire" in the span of a second or two, more familiarity and practice with the rifle is required.If a 3 position were such an impediment to moving a fully engaged safety to "fire", then guys like Harry Manners would not have ended a career as a PH untouched by dangerous game. The notion that we can't do the same in the presence of a little old deer or elk is hard to swallow. I didn't learn any of this reading F&S . Actually I can't recall that it was ever explained in that or any other magazine. Sweet Jesus, if you can't disassemble a Remington 700 in the field you shouldn't be trusted with a rifle to begin with. I've no doubt much stumps you Bob.
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 20,379
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 20,379 |
Knew we would get to the carrying hot BS..
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,300
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,300 |
Knew we would get to the carrying hot BS.. I was thinking about this the other day, so I might as well throw a log on the fire. We were told as kids the safety is a mechanical device, and to never trust it. Hence don't carry hot. Virtually in the same sentence we were told to ALWAYS treat a firearms as if it were loaded. Bearing those things in mind, doesn't it boil down to muzzle discipline? Do you trust yourself with a gun ( hot or cold) or don't you? There...that oughta spool a few people up.....
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237 |
Knew we would get to the carrying hot BS.. Do all you cold chamber advocates carry your shotguns with empty chambers when hunting pheasant/grouse/quail too ?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,034
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 46,034 |
The one thing I like about a 3-position safety is when I'm sizing brass for a slight crush fit on the shoulder or necking it down to leave a false shoulder. Putting the safety in the middle position and chambering the case makes it easier to feel the amount of resistance I'm getting because the lugs aren't camming hard when I close the bolt.
No big deal either way though.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237 |
If you are always supposed to carry cold, then there's no reason for a safety at all and no gunmaker would waste time and money putting one on there.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,453
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,453 |
Knew we would get to the carrying hot BS.. Do all you cold chamber advocates carry your shotguns with empty chambers when hunting pheasant/grouse/quail too ? Not a one.
|
|
|
|
539 members (1936M71, 17CalFan, 1badf350, 160user, 22250rem, 47 invisible),
2,574
guests, and
1,388
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,191,709
Posts18,475,378
Members73,941
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|