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He has successfully BTDT. If I were pursuing a LR outfit the 6.5 SAUM is where I would start. Magnum Man Yep, always best to start with a wildcat cartridge that requires sizing down, fireforming and neck-turning. Especially one that starts with currently unavailable brass. 
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![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/november085.jpg) It's been worth it....I do actually hunt though...
Luck....is the residue of design... ![[Linked Image]](http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp311/patrickgsinclair/96zvyt.gif)
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Shooting steel is not as critical but just remember that you need 900-1000 foot pounds of energy to get the bullet to do its job on a 200 pound animal. That number can vary slightly depending on who you ask. Maj. John Plaster subscribes to 1000 ft. lbs. I would use that as a guide in your bullet/cal. selection as that is more critical when killing game. Of course bullet placement is a big part as well. Of all the calibers listed Mojo Hand has it right with flip a coin. I personally would opt for the 7mm-08 as the BC is better on the .284 as opposed to the .308 and has a very good bullet selection as well for the reloader. Ballisticsto suggests that 550 yards with a 120 grain bullet is no problem for deer with the 7mm-08. I can tell you from experience that it performs fine. Just my 2 cents. Anyone using foot pounds energy foot pounds energy to rate lethality hasn't a clue. Sorry that Palster fits in that category. I have killed too many animals with much less energy and complete penetration.
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I'm sure you coulda killed him with a flintlock the way you shoot. ...with a generous, no turn chamber. 
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He has successfully BTDT. If I were pursuing a LR outfit the 6.5 SAUM is where I would start. Magnum Man Yep, always best to start with a wildcat cartridge that requires sizing down, fireforming and neck-turning. Especially one that starts with currently unavailable brass. Of course the 6.5 SAUM is bad-azz, but it appears to be a logistical nightmare. Most who mess with a wildcat are not just "starting"...generally they have been around the horn a time to two with a variety of rifles and cartridges and have very specific ideas of what they want in the way of cartridge performance,and how they want to accomplish it. Mostly, they aren't "guessing" about how to get there. Necking up and down, blowing out,scarce brass,expensive dies, and other inconveniences that confound and confuse many are simply minor bumps in the road to them  And since their efforts have given us such things as the 7/08, 260, 25/06,35 Whelan,22-250, 6XC,6.5/284, 7 Rem Mag, and a host of others too numerous to mention ,we should thank the intrepid types as we benefit from their efforts. So, when a guy with Pat's experience tells you the 6.5 SAUM merits attention,smart people will listen closely to what he has to say about it,even if you don't follow the same path. Rant over... 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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He has successfully BTDT. If I were pursuing a LR outfit the 6.5 SAUM is where I would start. Magnum Man Yep, always best to start with a wildcat cartridge that requires sizing down, fireforming and neck-turning. Especially one that starts with currently unavailable brass. Of course the 6.5 SAUM is bad-azz, but it appears to be a logistical nightmare. "...generally they have been around the horn a time to two with a variety of rifles and cartridges and have very specific ideas of what they want in the way of cartridge performance,and how they want to accomplish it. Mostly, they aren't "guessing" about how to get there. Necking up and down, blowing out,scarce brass,expensive dies, and other inconveniences that confound and confuse many are simply minor bumps in the road to them And since their efforts have given us such things as the 7/08, 260, 25/06,35 Whelan,22-250, 6XC,6.5/284, 7 Rem Mag, and a host of others too numerous to mention ,we should thank the intrepid types as we benefit from their efforts. So, when a guy with Pat's experience tells you the 6.5 SAUM merits attention,smart people will listen closely to what he has to say about it,even if you don't follow the same path. Rant over... He said the same thing as you Bob. He's not dinging the cartridge, just that it takes some handloading experience beyond the basics to begin using it.
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Except not because you can buy a die set ready to go and already sized/turned brass from copper creek. So its just like loading any other cartridge with brass and dies available.
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Except not because you can buy a die set ready to go and already sized/turned brass from copper creek. So its just like loading any other cartridge with brass and dies available. $145 / 50 ????!!!!   http://coppercreekammo.com/index.ph...p;zenid=47b767cd4e19d48d2507ad59b74139f4Not exactly just like any other cartridge.... David
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He said the same thing as you Bob. He's not dinging the cartridge, just that it takes some handloading experience beyond the basics to begin using it. [/quote] Zactly. Got two 7 SAUM's currently....and I need brass that no one has in stock. I ain't the only one either because others have posted ads looking for some in the classifieds.
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He has successfully BTDT. If I were pursuing a LR outfit the 6.5 SAUM is where I would start. Magnum Man Yep, always best to start with a wildcat cartridge that requires sizing down, fireforming and neck-turning. Especially one that starts with currently unavailable brass. Of course the 6.5 SAUM is bad-azz, but it appears to be a logistical nightmare. "...generally they have been around the horn a time to two with a variety of rifles and cartridges and have very specific ideas of what they want in the way of cartridge performance,and how they want to accomplish it. Mostly, they aren't "guessing" about how to get there. Necking up and down, blowing out,scarce brass,expensive dies, and other inconveniences that confound and confuse many are simply minor bumps in the road to them And since their efforts have given us such things as the 7/08, 260, 25/06,35 Whelan,22-250, 6XC,6.5/284, 7 Rem Mag, and a host of others too numerous to mention ,we should thank the intrepid types as we benefit from their efforts. So, when a guy with Pat's experience tells you the 6.5 SAUM merits attention,smart people will listen closely to what he has to say about it,even if you don't follow the same path. Rant over... He said the same thing as you Bob. He's not dinging the cartridge, just that it takes some handloading experience beyond the basics to begin using it. Oh OK got it. Thanks guys!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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He said the same thing as you Bob. He's not dinging the cartridge, just that it takes some handloading experience beyond the basics to begin using it. Zactly. Got two 7 SAUM's currently....and I need brass that no one has in stock. I ain't the only one either because others have posted ads looking for some in the classifieds.[/quote] Took me less than 2mins to find some in stock... http://www.midwayusa.com/product/12...ra-magnum-box-of-25?cm_vc=ProductFinding
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I knew Midway had that overpriced stuff, only three bucks per piece of brass huh, sounds like a deal, for tards, why don't you buy me some?
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TAK,
Good to see you posting again. There may be some SAUM brass here at our local shop. I will check when I stop in.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I knew Midway had that overpriced stuff, only three bucks per piece of brass huh, sounds like a deal, for tards, why don't you buy me some? Well, you said you couldn't find any. So, either buy some or quit whining.
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Zactly. Got two 7 SAUM's currently....and I need brass that no one has in stock. I ain't the only one either because others have posted ads looking for some in the classifieds.
What pointer said is true, TAK. You did plainly state that you could not find any. You didn't say anything about the cost. I think you owe Mr. Pointer an apology. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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So, either buy some or quit whining. No.
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I think you owe Mr. Pointer an apology.
Travis
Pointer can pound sand, that can be his WOD today.
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Why do you need brass for an imaginary rifle anyway?
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Why do you need brass for an imaginary rifle anyway? Perzactly! Goes well with his imaginary hunts. I have yet to see him post a pic or even a story of actually hunting anything successfully. Hell, I'm fat and lazy yet still have a story or two to tell.
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Why do you need brass for an imaginary rifle anyway? Perzactly! Goes well with his imaginary hunts. I have yet to see him post a pic or even a story of actually hunting anything successfully. Hell, I'm fat and lazy yet still have a story or two to tell. So, your point is, if I started eating like schidt I'd be a better hunter, and person, like Flave?
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