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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I agree with many. Nothing trumps a butt heavy rifle for offhand shooting.


I can't recall the last time either me or my kids shot long range offhand. I think we'll muddle through with improvised field rests. grin

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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I agree with many. Nothing trumps a butt heavy rifle for offhand shooting.


Nothing quite like talking out of your a$$. Maybe you should spend more time trying things and less time trying to be the grumpy old curmudgeon of 24hr....

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Balance point shifted at most 0.5" compared to the 6x42 Leupold that was on there previously. It absolutely is not butt heavy. I shoot the rifle from field positions all the time. Haven't put that many rounds through it since I swapped scopes, but the only change I could detect was a slight increase in steadiness due to the slight increase in weight.

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I just got an email from SWFA that both of my scopes are backordered. Just an heads-up to the other 25 guys who've smoked their Visa this week.


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Originally Posted by 222Rem
I just got an email from SWFA that both of my scopes are backordered. Just an heads-up to the other 25 guys who've smoked their Visa this week.


Par for the course with SWFA, and why I will not spend a dime with those jacklegs!

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I wasn't complaining, just preparing the crowd for a little pending disappointment. wink


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Understood. I'm just telling you this is standard operating procedure with these guys. They have not stepped into the 21st century with their inventory system.


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E-mail I received this morning indicates my orders were filled and shipped out yesterday.

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I waited 6 weeks for my last 6x over the summer. Was worth it to me. At $259 for that scope, I wouldn't mind waiting if I needed another.

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I'd rather have to wait for a product than to have a product produced at a faster rate cause that almost always equals less attention to detail. one of the guys over at SWFA told me that their orders have steadily increased every month on almost every model. Like Stick used to say, good schite sells itself and those SS scopes are a prime example. The owner of SWFA told me that when he went into this venture, he made a vow that the quality was first and foremost and that he would just raise the cost of the scope when necessary. Some of the guys over at OpticsTalk were bugging Chris to make a "hunting scope" line (lighter weight different reticles etc), but he really didn't seem all that interested at the time. Lighter weight would mean less durable in this case, as using "space age" materials would defeat the whole purpose of the product line.

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Originally Posted by clark98ut
Understood. I'm just telling you this is standard operating procedure with these guys. They have not stepped into the 21st century with their inventory system.



What makes you say this ?

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Understood. I'm just telling you this is standard operating procedure with these guys. They have not stepped into the 21st century with their inventory system.



What makes you say this ?


Some places now have their inventory directly linked to their online sales. If someone orders the last one 30seconds before you do at 1am Sunday morning, you instantly see it's out of stock. SWFA processes their online orders 1/day. You could order online at 8am, they sell 5 by phone, selling out by 2:30pm and then your order will be on backorder. Seems like I've seen somebody say numerous times if you want something from SWFA pick up the phone and call them....

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I didn't know that. I agree with you that the orders/stock on hand should be live and on a first come first served basis. That should be a software or programing issue. Heck, if someone walks in off the street and buys a scope FTF with them or anyone else for that matter, it should be what's available and not what's sitting on the shelf, if what you're saying is the case.

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Just to clarify, I don't think they are deliberately selling stock to people over the phone or store walk-ins preferentially - it's just the way their system is set-up. All online orders are downloaded and processed after 2:30 each business day, confirmations sent the following morning. It is different than some online retailers - knowing that, I pick up the phone and call them when I want something.

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If you need something now, and they show they have it, do like David said and call to confirm. If they have it in stock, you generally won't have a problem.

But, and it's a big but, don't assume that because it appears to be in stock on their website that it is in fact in stock. There is probably some of what David described above that happens, but they also don't update their website very often with stock status.

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Whether they're backordered or not, I still want the scopes, and would have placed the order even if out of stock............at least at current price.

If these don't come before Christmas, it'll give me the chance to order something else. grin


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Got a couple backordered here....but I'm almost never in a hurry these days.


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Originally Posted by 222Rem
Whether they're backordered or not, I still want the scopes, and would have placed the order even if out of stock............at least at current price.

If these don't come before Christmas, it'll give me the chance to order something else. grin


Me too, I'll wait. I really do want to get my hands on that new 1-4x though

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I strongly considered the 1-4X, but wanted a pair of 10's more, and figure I'd let some other guys field test the SS 1-4X for me first. There are lots of 1-4's on the market, but an overbuilt, mil/mil with reliable/accurate tracking for $260 is just a bit tougher to source. wink


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I've ordered a lot of stuff from them and haven't had one bad experience. Always got the follow-up email with status and tracking numbers also. I bought my Leica ER 2.5-10x42 scope from their Sample List and it was listed as a "B" class item and there wasn't a single mark on the scope that would indicate the scope was ever mounted on a rifle that I could see and I looked very closely. Got a fantastic deal as well.

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