Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles The complete transition to Portugal is done

battue no they are not the Mona Lisa. They were intended to be working rifles and do pretty well in that role.

This schit just keeps getting better and better. What was the topic of discussion again? You lost me at Mona Lisa was an ugly bitch... Was she Portuguese??

If I had to pick one rifle it would be the model 70. Make it right and I could care less where you make it.

Kimber out-Winchestered Winchester, and did it while making them here , but even if Winchester had beat them to the punch, the purists would be whining the receiver wasn't an exact miniature.

Yesterday carried a Kimber, and if you put it into my hands with no markings and I had been away for awhile, think I may have thought it was a model 70? It shoots better than good also.


Addition: Wonder how much bitching went on when W eliminated the clover leaf tang and barrel screw?

A friend purchased one of the 308 Supergrade's.It shoot's cloverleaf's at 100 with factory ammo and the fit & finish is excellent.

Got that straight. I don't know if their scope line has shifted production to Portugal, but the ER I have says made in Germany on the box, whereas some of the ERi's have made in Portugal on the box.

I have 2 classic Winchesters that I used for donors,and a have 2 more that I am doing. I just can't see spending 2 to 3 grand for a pre-64,when I can build a nice custom for that. 3 are 300 RUM's and a 375

Some guys love to collect originals and pre-64's fit that bill,but for me it's not worth it.

I don't see any reason to buy a Portagee Win,unless you what a virgin rifle.

Yes the bew "Portugese" Winchesters are crap,






I bet the same guys here who say they won't buy a model 70 "not completely made in the the US of A, would walk past a Remington 11 for a "Belgian A5

Nice looking , no doubt. But why do we Americans always put up with the [bleep] end of the stick,for offshore corporations? Perot was right.
And the U.S. debt just hit 18 TRILLION on Friday.....yea a F'n chicken in every pot! Or a Portagee Winnie in every hand

I remember when every town had an independent pharmacy and hardware. Why did you sell us out to the big chains? Why you even did it right here onshore.

It's called good ole neo fascism aka part of the big lie.

I will say it again same guys talking [bleep] about these Portuguese made model 70 will end up buying one [bleep] same [bleep] saying buy american are driving foreign made cars lol. All you so called model 70 purists are a real hoot. I will bet a good bottle whiskey BSA will one of the first ones to get one, cause he's the one that talks the most [bleep] lol. Will he tell us probably not... BSA just busting your balls lol

'cause Honkeys won't pay $700 for a $400 rifle. How much would you be willing to pay for a 100% red, white, and blue M70?

Gitem, you hit the Portuguese jackpot with that stock. Real nice.

Photos don't do it justice. I wish the finish was a touch lighter to really bring out the figure. But it's a great rifle

I personally don't mind the look of that new Winchester cheapie. If it shoots and doesn't fall apart on the user, I'd own one. Even better if it lends itself to some customisation.

All well to say it looks like a clone of the RAR or Tikka. Ever noticed the similarities between the M70, M77 and the Kimber? What about the Howa, Vanguard and the M48?

Holy chit! A Tikka with an even uglier stock.

Might be able to sand and paint it to lookin good enough to beat snowy brush and rocks with (if it shoots anywhere near as good as a Tikker...).

Just talked with a landowner here in Pa who is going to die wealthy on the Natural Gas that is about to come out of his ground. He asked the gas company where they put the gas and was told Pa storage is filled up, the majority will be frozen and shipped to China.

Keep your eye on the big problems, like worrying about a few Winchesters being made in Portugal.

I guess I don't subscribe to the "Buy American" ideal simply because I've seen enough of America to know it's not going to be a better product purely by virtue of the worker being American. There are a lot of people in America that simply exist, with no desire to produce. Whether that be as workers, parents, spouses, friends, etc. We are a nation that is quickly slipping in terms of quality of people and value to each other. It used to be that buying American meant getting a better product while supporting your fellow American. Now its just buying a product, most likely inferior in construction relative to price, that was assembled by someone who probably doesn't even have pride in themselves. America is a nation of selfish people who value "more sh:t now" more than "quality in time". We see it in our relationships, government, attitudes...physiques. What makes you think consumer products are immune if we allow that mentality to affect even the way we raise our kids or take care of our bodies? There are plenty of Americans who possess the attitude and drive that are worth supporting, but they are far outnumbered. Until we reverse course as a nation in our attitudes towards value in our work, things, and each other nothing will change.

Some complain about those who buy foreign cars in that the profits go overseas. Winchester isn't an American company any longer, so according to some we shouldn't have been buying them when they were made here.

Stop your making too much sense ... Theses guys talking [bleep] won't know what to think. FN bought winchester back in 1988 when usraco filed for bankruptcy.