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You hurt my feelings....
He's from Ohio; that Kent State thing hurt a lot of feelings.
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I'm talking about a camera that documents the policeman's actions - taking out the your word against his aspect of police enforcement.
Cameras do not remove that aspect. Wishing they did doesn't make it so. Travis well I don't share your opinion or the others that agree with you but its made me think about it more than I have in the past.
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I can get behind this. It will prevent a lot of crime. Let's say somebody has to take a piss real late at night with nobody around and they stop in the middle of nowhere and are gonna just piss right there. There are no witnesses to the crime with the camera, it will record it so that person can be prostituted and become the convicted sex offender that they are. After awhile people will just piss in their pants and not do that bad [bleep] because they know they're watched. After awhile you can outlaw cursing because that is bad too and then we can move on to outlawing any criticism of the government because they are the camera keepers and have only the best of intentions and motivations. 
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I believe video of baby huey in Ferguson was released shortly after the incident, which showed him beating the [bleep] out of store owner.
Sure stopped a lot of supposedly level headed folks from coming out to be civilly disobedient... I just don't see how that is relevant though. Yes, it confirms he was a bad guy but it doesn't show that he'd resist arrest when a gun is pointed at him. Video of the event is what is needed. It's relevant that it casts doubt on the narrative that he was simply a peaceful gentle giant that was minding his own business, AKA, the narrative that "started it all". I don't think that was the narrative that started it all. The narrative that started is all was an eye witnes who started "don't shoot ,hands up" which was a lie and would have been refuted by video tape of the event. The gentle giant was a persona started by the media. It WAS refuted by physical evidence, namely the post mortem exam. Did that evidence change their minds? Their minds where made up as to what happened as soon as his homey said "he dun had his hanses up and dey shot hiz azz neway. Just fo speddin Da wurd of Jaezuss" No amount of evidence, teatimony or vidoe would have changed that
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Cameras on every cop is TFF, it would be akin to the quality and even more shaky than a bigfoot or UFO video.
The cop that subdued Eric Garner, his video, would have showed what exactly. The back of a fat black guys sweaty shirt.
It might, and I mean might capture what happens the suspect in plain view 2% of the time, the rest of the time you'd be looking at a foot, the ground or whatever. JFC what a stupid idea.
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I watched the Garner video at least five times this morning.
The choke hold didn't kill him (directly) or cut off his air supply. It's a false narrative.
When the cop threw his arm around Garner's neck to take him down (not a choke hold) it took about seven seconds to get him on the ground. That's when the cop was able to get on top and wrap his arm around Garner's neck in a choke hold fashion. This only lasted for about ten seconds and then the cop got up and put his knee on Garner's head. That's when Garner first started uttering "I can't breeve". It's worth noting that Garner did not become unconsciousness at this point. He wasn't choked out or lost the supply of blood to his brains.
The entire time Garner was saying "I can't breeve" he wasn't in a choke hold, he was breathing, and consciousness. There was a cop that had his knee in Garner's chest that could have made breathing difficult but ...
What I think happened is Garner suffered a heart attack during the take down. One of the first symptoms of a heart attack is shortness of breath or difficulty breathing.
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Yeah, but go back and look at guys like TRH's posts in here, he states his case as if Garner was yelling I can't breeve as the cop was choking him and just continued to do so.
Of course it is a false narrative, that is all feeble minds need to make a conclusion.
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I got to say I still have issues with this one and I'm not alone.
Judge Napolitano, Krauthammer, and Goldstein on FOX last night all felt the GJ should have returned an indictment and have this settled by going to trial.
The way I see it this was series or combination of mishaps, decisions, and possibly improprieties that led to Garner's death. I'm not saying the cops are guilty but I don't have enough facts to come to a conclusive decision either way.
FWIW, I don't participate in cop bashing threads and I give LE the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
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Haven't read the whole thing, but why was he being arrested? If it was seriously for selling "singles", that's fugged up. Did he have a warrant out?
I'd entertain the notion of powers of arrest being trimmed way back for police. Maybe only when a suspect presents a clear and present danger to others. Otherwise, let'em hand out tickets, accept a FU, and go on their way.
Regardless- Once they initiated the arrest, it was all on the dumb fat fugg. He squirmed his way right into a body bag.
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I'm also in favor of body cameras.
“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
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"The facts surrounding choke holds are all common knowledge to anybody in law enforcement that has a brain. Which is about 8% of law enforcement. But American society and facts do not mesh very well. Travis" I've been using 10% for years. I'll make the revision based on your expert testimony. 
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How about just having a camera man (or woman) ride with every cop wherever he goes.
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Haven't read the whole thing, but why was he being arrested? If it was seriously for selling "singles", that's fugged up. Did he have a warrant out?
I'd entertain the notion of powers of arrest being trimmed way back for police. Maybe only when a suspect presents a clear and present danger to others. Otherwise, let'em hand out tickets, accept a FU, and go on their way.
Regardless- Once they initiated the arrest, it was all on the dumb fat fugg. He squirmed his way right into a body bag. That would be about right for the chickenshit offense of selling untaxed "loosie" cigarettes which I've heard precipitated the whole mess.
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How about just having a camera man (or woman) ride with every cop wherever he goes. Fox started that years ago. Still one of the best shows on TV. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Haven't read the whole thing, but why was he being arrested? If it was seriously for selling "singles", that's fugged up. Did he have a warrant out?
I'd entertain the notion of powers of arrest being trimmed way back for police. Maybe only when a suspect presents a clear and present danger to others. Otherwise, let'em hand out tickets, accept a FU, and go on their way.
Regardless- Once they initiated the arrest, it was all on the dumb fat fugg. He squirmed his way right into a body bag. That would be about right for the chickenshit offense of selling untaxed "loosie" cigarettes which I've heard precipitated the whole mess. Welcome to the utopia of Der Mayor Bloomberg and the hard lined fascist socialists. Coming to a state near (or surrounding) you, soon.
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I got to say I still have issues with this one and I'm not alone.
Judge Napolitano, Krauthammer, and Goldstein on FOX last night all felt the GJ should have returned an indictment and have this settled by going to trial.
The way I see it this was series or combination of mishaps, decisions, and possibly improprieties that led to Garner's death. I'm not saying the cops are guilty but I don't have enough facts to come to a conclusive decision either way.
FWIW, I don't participate in cop bashing threads and I give LE the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. I'm in agreement with you. [except your last paragraph doesn't apply to me ]
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Haven't read the whole thing, but why was he being arrested? If it was seriously for selling "singles", that's fugged up. Did he have a warrant out?
The call was initiated by a business owner complaining about Garner selling untaxed loosies in front of his store. The business felt cheated by someone not paying the taxes that he has to with a legal business. It's fugged up but that's NYC.
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I watched the Garner video at least five times this morning.
The choke hold didn't kill him (directly) No, not directly, since he was still alive when released from it. So what? If I knocked you over the head with a bust of William Shakespeare, and it took you several minutes to die from a brain hemorrhage, does that clear me? Could I just argue that you were particularly prone to brain hemorrhage?
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I got to say I still have issues with this one and I'm not alone.
Judge Napolitano, Krauthammer, and Goldstein on FOX last night all felt the GJ should have returned an indictment and have this settled by going to trial. Obviously a bunch of Libtards.
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