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Just like any other career choice, a person can be motivated toward a career in L.E. by a combination of factors. I've always believed that examining those factors is the key to weeding out those who are going to be problem cops as far as abuse of authority.
Corruption,laziness,lack of integrity, etc. are human failings and are likely found in L.E. personnel in about the same degree as all professions. But the ramifications of those moral failings don't pose the threat to society that the abuse of authority does.
When the screening process allows an abuser to become a cop, the cops he is working with on a daily basis are best positioned to see it.
What the individual cop does upon observing this tendency in a rookie is either the problem, or the solution, to Law Enforcement's abuse of their fellow citizens.
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Seems black parents might consider the same with their 'Good Kids'
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Before you do that,REQUIRE mandatory strict background checks for all candidates for elective office. Same standard as for NYS pistol permits. Same samo for appointed department heads from local to fed. This would include a mental health check. Then do the same for teachers. Fail and you are ineligible. Re-certify every 6 years. Fail and you are Out.
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Did you get a bull$hit ticket or somethin' recently. I agree with the sentiments you've been posting on this subject; just curious...?
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How can you get rid of something that doesn't exist? Most of the videos allegedly showing police in the wrong show numerous other officers observing and assisting them in the alleged wrong doing. If there was anything really wrong with what we were seeing then the officers observing/assisting would step in, but they do not.
Heck, Darren Wilson is in a video from 2013 making an arrest due to being video taped and then he wrote up a report making all sorts of claims about what happened that clearly did not. Did the PD arrest him? Nope. Did the prosecutor(who runs the MO grand jury) go after him? Nope. So it is evident that making false arrest and writing false reports are in the scope of an officer's authority in the state of MO. If you don't like it, why don't you ride along with a cop or get a job in LE? Or are you too chicken to risk getting shot in the face like Serpico did for sticking his nose where it did not belong?
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How can you get rid of something that doesn't exist? Most of the videos allegedly showing police in the wrong show numerous other officers observing and assisting them in the alleged wrong doing. If there was anything really wrong with what we were seeing then the officers observing/assisting would step in, but they do not.
Heck, Darren Wilson is in a video from 2013 making an arrest due to being video taped and then he wrote up a report making all sorts of claims about what happened that clearly did not. Did the PD arrest him? Nope. Did the prosecutor(who runs the MO grand jury) go after him? Nope. So it is evident that making false arrest and writing false reports are in the scope of an officer's authority in the state of MO. If you don't like it, why don't you ride along with a cop or get a job in LE? Or are you too chicken to risk getting shot in the face like Serpico did for sticking his nose where it did not belong? You're real name is Micheal Moore isn't it
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From the amount of contacts done in a 24 hour period vs incidents, its a rare instance.
But for that I actually agree, I think there should be some kind of probation step period.
We have that in vol fire service here and we've weeded out some real trophies in those time frames if you will.
The real problem today though is management not firing the problem if there is one. INstead EVERYONE usually ends up paying.... which sucks.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Before you do that,REQUIRE mandatory strict background checks for all candidates for elective office. Same standard as for NYS pistol permits. Same samo for appointed department heads from local to fed. This would include a mental health check. Then do the same for teachers. Fail and you are ineligible. Re-certify every 6 years. Fail and you are Out. Yep, treat them just like police get treated. Here is an NYPD officer who was exhibiting odd behavior so the good/normal cops hauled him for an evaluation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft
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From the amount of contacts done in a 24 hour period vs incidents, its a rare instance.
Thank God we do not base the creation and enforcement of laws intended for civilians based on the percentage of civilians who do not commit crimes. Thank God those same laws typically have written exemptions for(or lack of enforcement against) police officers or we wouldn't have anyone out making sure every civilian toe is on the line.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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How can you get rid of something that doesn't exist? Most of the videos allegedly showing police in the wrong show numerous other officers observing and assisting them in the alleged wrong doing. If there was anything really wrong with what we were seeing then the officers observing/assisting would step in, but they do not.
Heck, Darren Wilson is in a video from 2013 making an arrest due to being video taped and then he wrote up a report making all sorts of claims about what happened that clearly did not. Did the PD arrest him? Nope. Did the prosecutor(who runs the MO grand jury) go after him? Nope. So it is evident that making false arrest and writing false reports are in the scope of an officer's authority in the state of MO. If you don't like it, why don't you ride along with a cop or get a job in LE? Or are you too chicken to risk getting shot in the face like Serpico did for sticking his nose where it did not belong? You're real name is Micheal Moore isn't it No, and just to be honest I have never heard the name "Micheal" before. What ethnic group uses that?
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How dare you pine for true equality!! Before you do that,REQUIRE mandatory strict background checks for all candidates for elective office. Same standard as for NYS pistol permits. Same samo for appointed department heads from local to fed. This would include a mental health check. Then do the same for teachers. Fail and you are ineligible. Re-certify every 6 years. Fail and you are Out.
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From the amount of contacts done in a 24 hour period vs incidents, its a rare instance.
Thank God we do not base the creation and enforcement of laws intended for civilians based on the percentage of civilians who do not commit crimes. Thank God those same laws typically have written exemptions for(or lack of enforcement against) police officers or we wouldn't have anyone out making sure every civilian toe is on the line. Most states do! One example. Most Speed limits are based on 85th percentile speeds done in survey of given stretch of roadway. In other words the top 15% of speeds surveyed are excluded from the survey. Been done like this for years.
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Funny schitt right there! Scary part is that it might be true!
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From the amount of contacts done in a 24 hour period vs incidents, its a rare instance.
Thank God we do not base the creation and enforcement of laws intended for civilians based on the percentage of civilians who do not commit crimes. Thank God those same laws typically have written exemptions for(or lack of enforcement against) police officers or we wouldn't have anyone out making sure every civilian toe is on the line. Most states do! One example. Most Speed limits are based on 85th percentile speeds done in survey of given stretch of roadway. In other words the top 15% of speeds surveyed are excluded from the survey. Been done like this for years. Yeah I saw the news on the Washington State speed enforcement campaign where the officers were having to 20+ over the limit to make it to their LE conference on time and supported those officers just like you do.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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When did I ever become a LE officer???? I retired from Maintenance. LE different agency. They picked up the drunks, we picked up the beer cans.
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
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When did I ever become a LE officer???? Beats me? I just noticed your support for police being able to drive however they see fit without fear of penalty.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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Get rid of the union and the bad cops will be gone.
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From the amount of contacts done in a 24 hour period vs incidents, its a rare instance.
But for that I actually agree, I think there should be some kind of probation step period.
We have that in vol fire service here and we've weeded out some real trophies in those time frames if you will.
The real problem today though is management not firing the problem if there is one. INstead EVERYONE usually ends up paying.... which sucks. Out of the first 15 posts, yours is the only one to address the point of the O.P. I'm obliged.
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Before you do that,REQUIRE mandatory strict background checks for all candidates for elective office. Same standard as for NYS pistol permits. Same samo for appointed department heads from local to fed. This would include a mental health check. Then do the same for teachers. Fail and you are ineligible. Re-certify every 6 years. Fail and you are Out. Before I do WHAT? I actually agree with you with respect to ALL the entities you listed. But why should WE be required to address all of that BEFORE cops can be expected to police their own ranks? That IS what you suggest, you know.
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Seems black parents might consider the same with their 'Good Kids' What in hell has black kids and their parents got to do with MY post?
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