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Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? #9457438 12/27/14
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 42,114 Likes: 56 TX DMc OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP DMc Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 42,114 Likes: 56 TX	I snagged a sweet little T/C Super 16 in 17MKII. Ammo is practically non-existent. Scouring over GB, sellers want mortgage money for a box of (50)!!! Did the 17HMR kill the 17MKII? DMc Make Gitmo Great Again!! Who gave the order to stop counting votes in the swing states on the night of November 3/4, 2020?

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Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? DMc #9457578 12/27/14
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,349 Likes: 3 Durham, CA Higginez Campfire Ranger
Higginez Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 17,349 Likes: 3 Durham, CA	.17hm2 never took off like the .17HMR did when it was launched. For a rimfire to stick around it has to be well received or it will go the way of the 5mm. I think it's dying and I wouldn't be surprised if the .17wsm does the same. Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again! Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? Higginez #9457835 12/27/14
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,919 Likes: 13 Southern Oregon USA S Seafire Campfire 'Bwana
Seafire Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 42,919 Likes: 13 Southern Oregon USA	Sad thing.. I thought the 17 HM 2 was a more practical cartridge than the 17 HMR... however, typical of the American Market.... it if doesn't say magnum in its name, it is deemed to be second class to the one that does say magnum....

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? DMc #9457852 12/27/14
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barm Campfire Tracker Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,109 Likes: 1 Virginia	Yes, it is on its way to 6 feet under.

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? Seafire #9457856 12/27/14
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prairie_goat Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,925 Likes: 2 Montana	Originally Posted by Seafire Sad thing.. I thought the 17 HM 2 was a more practical cartridge than the 17 HMR... however, typical of the American Market.... it if doesn�t say magnum in its name, it is deemed to be second class to the one that does say magnum.... I don�t think that was the case so much as the 17 HMR actually filled a niche that would sell. Something larger than a 22 LR but cheaper and quieter than a centerfire. The 22 Mag didn�t quite work for many, as much of the ammo didn�t carry out as well or shoot quite as well as a comparable 17 HMR. The 17 HM2�s niche was much more limited, and I suspect many saw this need to be already filled by the 22 LR.

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Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? prairie_goat #9457939 12/27/14
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 42,114 Likes: 56 TX DMc OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP DMc Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 42,114 Likes: 56 TX	Well guys this news sucks. I know it mostly depends on the specific firearm but some calibers like the 243 and 222 are inherently accurate. Can anyone attest to the accuracy of this pipsqueak round? DMc Make Gitmo Great Again!! Who gave the order to stop counting votes in the swing states on the night of November 3/4, 2020?

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? prairie_goat #9457988 12/27/14
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 28,422 Likes: 6 Idaho, USA Jim in Idaho Campfire Ranger
Jim in Idaho Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 28,422 Likes: 6 Idaho, USA	Originally Posted by prairie_goat Originally Posted by Seafire Sad thing.. I thought the 17 HM 2 was a more practical cartridge than the 17 HMR... however, typical of the American Market.... it if doesn�t say magnum in its name, it is deemed to be second class to the one that does say magnum.... I don�t think that was the case so much as the 17 HMR actually filled a niche that would sell. Something larger than a 22 LR but cheaper and quieter than a centerfire. The 22 Mag didn�t quite work for many, as much of the ammo didn�t carry out as well or shoot quite as well as a comparable 17 HMR. The 17 HM2�s niche was much more limited, and I suspect many saw this need to be already filled by the 22 LR. That hits the nail right there - it just didn't have a good niche that wasn't already filled by the .22 LR, whereas the 17HMR found a new niche. Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery. Hit the target, all else is twaddle!

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? DMc #9458138 12/27/14
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FyrepowrX Campfire Tracker F Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,576 Oklahoma	Originally Posted by DMc Well guys this news sucks. I know it mostly depends on the specific firearm but some calibers like the 243 and 222 are inherently accurate. Can anyone attest to the accuracy of this pipsqueak round? DMc there's 10 shots from my Cooper LVT in Mach2 at a tad over 50 yards... i've shot a truckload of squirrels with the mach 2, and have several rifles so chambered...it is an accurate round. finding ammo at reasonable prices is tough, CCI has suspended production, Eley has dropped production, and Hornady has been sporadic. ============================================================

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? DMc #9458187 12/27/14
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Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,219 Likes: 26 Banana Belt, Montana	DMc, No, the .17 HMR didn't kill the .17 M2, because the .17 HMR came out two years before the .17 M2. Hard to kill something that didn't exist yet. But if the .17 M2 had appeared first, however, it might be more popular now. I know quite a few people here in Montana who have Mach 2's, because it's just about perfect for ground squirrels (as opposed to prairie dogs), and when you can find ammo it's still less expensive than .17 HMR. Usually ammo's a seasonal deal, appearing in late winter or early spring, and fans can stock up then. I'm one. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? Mule Deer #9458291 12/27/14
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OSU_Sig Campfire Ranger O Joined: May 2011 Posts: 15,933 Likes: 1 Oklahoma	I have a Contender Carbine barrel that is very accurate and am having a LH 581 re-barreled to 17HM2 so I sure hope the caliber is not dead as I believe it's a great squirrel caliber and is one of my favorites. There are 2 rules to success: 1. Never tell everything that you know.

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Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? FyrepowrX #9458528 12/27/14
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 42,114 Likes: 56 TX DMc OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP DMc Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 42,114 Likes: 56 TX	Originally Posted by FyrepowrX ....there's 10 shots from my Cooper LVT in Mach2 at a tad over 50 yards... You're pulling our leg right Gerald? I'm thinking those are powder burns around that center hole ???? ....at 150% HaHaHaHaHa!!!! (I love Photoshop) DMc Last edited by DMc; 12/27/14. Make Gitmo Great Again!! Who gave the order to stop counting votes in the swing states on the night of November 3/4, 2020?

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? DMc #9458554 12/27/14
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Kudu11 Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 83 BC	Don't know about the Match2 but my 17 Humer is a really great little round - all the way out to 150 yards! This where I come from - http://youtu.be/KJr9jvsXFN4

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? Kudu11 #9458586 12/27/14
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Spotshooter Campfire Ranger S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 16,972 Likes: 2 Eastern KS	the 17Mach2 slams squirrels like no 22 can. Half the makers have a blind spot when it comes to marketing. If they didn't we'd have plenty of 17Mach2's... I haven't taken my 22 squirrel hunting since the first time I whacked one with my 17M2.. They'll make more - stock up on them when they do. IN FACT - EMAIL Hornady about them and ask them to make more... Spot Spot shooter www.prairiefireprecision.com

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? Spotshooter #9458879 12/27/14
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gunner8305 Campfire Member G Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 290 NE Oklahoma	DMc, I was with Gerald that day at the range. He was very desperate to shoot a good group with that rifle and was finally successful @ 5 feet. LOL

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? gunner8305 #9458910 12/27/14
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OP DMc Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 42,114 Likes: 56 TX	BUSTED!!! I KNEW IT! Thanks for setting us straight Nick! Gerald YOU should be ashamed! DMc Make Gitmo Great Again!! Who gave the order to stop counting votes in the swing states on the night of November 3/4, 2020?

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? DMc #9459061 12/27/14
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SCGunNut Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,631 Likes: 3 Columbia, S.C.	I squirrel hunted with my CZ HM2 today and shot a couple in the head at around 100 yards. I doubt a better, more versatile squirrel cartridge exists. Luckily, I laid in a near lifetime supply of ammo.

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? DMc #9459094 12/27/14
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VarmintGuy Campfire Ranger V Joined: May 2003 Posts: 23,084 Likes: 10 SW Montana	DMc: I am hoping for a long life for the 17 Hornady Mach2 (or 17 HM2). Its a useful, accurate and lethal rimfire cartridge. I have two Varmint Rifles in 17 Mach2 caliber. I love them and the cartridge! But my loving something does not translate into immortality - witness the death of the 222 Remington! I have a friend who turned a stainless Ruger MarkII Hunter pistol into a suppressed, heavy, long barreled 17 Mach2. It has a scope on it along with the suppressor and it is a Varmint killing machine! I simply LOVE this rig of my friends. I hope you enjoy your T/C in 17 Mach2 as much as he and and I enjoy ours. And I hope ammo becomes more readily available SOON! Hold into the wind VarmintGuy

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? VarmintGuy #9459132 12/27/14
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huntsman22 Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 22,952 Likes: 21 Kiowa/Deer Trail, Colorado	Originally Posted by VarmintGuy witness the death of the 222 Remington! When did the 222 Rem die? Factory ammo, brass, bullets, powder and primers still abound..... http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimensionids=9784 Last edited by huntsman22; 12/27/14.

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? DMc #9459159 12/27/14
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FyrepowrX Campfire Tracker F Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,576 Oklahoma	Originally Posted by DMc BUSTED!!! I KNEW IT! Thanks for setting us straight Nick! Gerald YOU should be ashamed! DMc he's just mad because the recoil of a .22LR causes him to bruise (he's delicate) and i hogged up the .17mach2 that day. ============================================================

Re: Is the 17MKII a dead caliber? FyrepowrX #9459457 12/27/14
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 42,114 Likes: 56 TX DMc OP Campfire 'Bwana
OP DMc Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 42,114 Likes: 56 TX	Nice deflection Gerald, but you still haven't explained those powder burns. I wasn't aware T/C was making a 10 gauge? OUCH! --------------------------------------------------- THANKS TO ALL THAT HAVE POSTED. Sounds like everyone that has a 17MKII really likes them. I'm going to have to try it. I've scored 2 (50 round) boxes of ammo. DMc Make Gitmo Great Again!! Who gave the order to stop counting votes in the swing states on the night of November 3/4, 2020?

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