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ctsmith... What would be your ideal reticle to replace the IHR...

Yes you are... All that I listed was available at one time, and can still be purchased online if one really wants one...

How about them Lions...

Example... http://www.eurooptic.com/schmidt-bender-pm-11-4x24-sd-le-flash-dot-7-lt-ccw.aspx#

Something that can be seen would be a nice start. Simply replace the hollow section with the 1.5 MOA thick solid section, or reducing it to .75 MOA would work. Make the center crosshairs .25 MOA vs .18 MOA.

The below pictures are in full sun. If anyone took this reticle to the woods at sunset (without illumination, i.e. the new 42mm SHV) they would realize immediately that it is totally inadequate.


THIS




NOT THIS

That is what generally happens when non-hunters design "hunting" reticles.

elkhuntingguide,

I've used all the triangle colors in various AccuPoints, and don't really have a preference, since they've all worked fine for me.

I suspect the differences in what others have reported are due to varying degrees of color blindness and color perception. Men have about an 8% rate (in women it's less than 1%) of some sort of color blindness, which I apparently don't have.

Because the Bino's were fixed and have worked flawlessly since, the spec in the lense hasn't affected its tracking that I know of. I get bothered looking at it, thats why its going back. If it didn't bother me, I wouldn't send it back since the scope works well.
I like the glass, I think they are clear and have worked well for me. If they sent em back and they didn't work or failed again, I wouldn't spend more money on them. But since they work well that's why I keep using em and spending money.
What has really changed my mind on buying based on reviews is the fact that my family for many years and I am sure many of you guys had bought various items without reviews. We talked to people that had em and went by that. it wasn't until the internet that we started reading reviews and getting sensitive to others thoughts. How we survived buying items without reviews is besides me. No wonder Tasco, Bushnell and others that are low end are still in business. In this case, I am happy with the optics Vortex puts out and I can deal with issues as long as they are not a trend and as long as they get fixed. Warranty is big to me because I tend to break stuff putting em thru the test.

Enrique,

I appreciate the response. I can understand what you wrote and why you feel that way, however for the same money there are optics that are significantly more reliable from companies that while having great warranties, very rarely need it. A company that sells itself on how great a warranty is has and where most users have had to use it, is not putting out a good product and they will continue putting out products that fail because people keep buying them.


I truly hope that those work for you and you get a lifetime of service out if them.

My wife became quality control where she works. She used a phrase, We make products that don't come back for customers who do.

That should be any company's moto.

"We make products that don't come back for customers who do."

Excellent motto! Too bad it's hard to find many companies following this.

In the last year I've purchased a couple Vortex Viper PST's, one for my brother and one for myself as I wanted to get mid ranged scopes that could be used for longer range target shooting without breaking the bank and didn't need bombproof construction. Haven't had any problems with either yet but haven't really used them a whole lot yet either or put them to the test. Will have to run them through the paces, but hey that's a excuse to do more shooting:) At least they have a good warranty. I'm disappointed to hear of the potential problems, but not too surprised. A lot of folks have used them and been happy with them too, so hoping for the best.

I think some are giving Vortex short shrift. I am one of the guys mentioned in an earlier post by FredWillis. Our scopes get a lot of ammo under them in a year and are transported in soft cases many miles each year. That includes time banging around on farm track and across pastures. Are the Vipers the perfect scope? Hell no. Have I found anything else in the $300. range that is better. Again, hell no.

The particular scope in the Viper line that is noted for problems is The 4-16 PST FFP. The reports of failure normally include a description of a heavy recoiling rifle with a brake. The effects of such a rig on a scope have already been noted.

Formid... has offered what he believes are better alternatives. If compared feature for feature they are also significantly more expensive alternatives. SWFA also has a great warranty, are terrific to deal with, offer some terrific values on their SS line of scopes and I own several of them.

The difference is that Vortex offers scopes, spotters and binoculars in a broad range of price. The customer who buys a Diamondback gets treated in the same manner as the guy that buys the Razor. Not all of us are prepared to spend $1500-$3500. for every optic we buy. Vortex deserves serious consideration.

Yup.

I got around to putting the PST back on the 300 mag that broke it the first time. Here are some observations:

Vortex gave very detailed packing instructs for the return of the scope but it came back just thrown in a box with NO packing and the turrets had knocked holes in the factory box. Very disappointing.

When I mounted it today I noticed that they returned it with either a dead battery or a malfunctioning switch for the reticle. Also disappointing. I will have to shoot the rifle to see how it is tracking and if it can hold a zero.

I get the impression that they (Vortex) are slipping a little in the customer service dept which was their biggest asset!

This thread made me $$$, I sold my HS Tactical 5-15x44! Preemptive maintenance...