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I think he shot at a tree.

And Missed.

Could be wrong but WTF it makes me smile.

Side note: You and I are Pompous A-Holes. Like that is really "News"

Extra Side Note. You really are a Pompous A-Hole. Me , I am just a wall flower that is misunderstood by a few.

Extra Extra Side Note. While I am not exactly a shotgun aficionado that picture of the trophy with Andy Duffy's name and yours is pretty F'n cool.

Well done and good shootin, that did not come easy, Rick.

Johnny, would that statement extend to Hill Country Rifles too? Or would you agree that HCR must have an idea on properly mounting scopes, etc.?

HCR from what I can ascertain has no agenda. They've simply been reporting their vast experience with Leupold QC and failure rates over several years.

So is it safe to assume that Mr. Burns knows EHG personally? And that he knows him better than most. And that by him (burns) saying that Mr EHG is full of chit, that he speaks from experience? I've seen several of EHG's posts in which many fine animals were taken....he seems to know his stuff....

I found the videos interesting. Mostly in that it showed a pretty good representation of how to set up a tracking device to test your scope. I also found it interesting that some of these scopes were repeatedly off by a small margin.
Now being how these scopes were "cherry picked" or not remains to be seen. The fact is that if these scopes that were in the videos were off on tracking on the bench, what would it be like in the field? Now depending upon what rifle a guy is using, being off a few clicks may not matter, but using a heavier round would definitely have adverse affects....ie....a 264 win mag vs a 30-06....wouldn't it?
I'm sure all scopes have a point in their lifetime that fail. It is that stance of some here that Leupold products fail more than others, and it also safe to say that some Rick and John have not experienced these failures as often, or at all....
any scope is only as good as the guy behind them. I'm no long range guru by any means, and I don't claim to be one either, I prefer to bow hunt.....but that is a personal choice...have I taken animals with a rifle, yes....from no distance anywhere near what Rick shot that coyote at...that's a heck of a shot on that one Rick....good job.

What size of target do you guys practice on?
So I guess I need to ask is how should I practice at these long distances to become more proficient? With MOA sized targets? I'm looking to get better at shooting further. I mean I can hit the silhouettes at the Whittington Center, and have shot the white Buffalo, but that thing is like the size of a UPS van...I didn't find that much of a gauge of my skills... lol

Thanks in advance for any help or info....

Wow! With numbers like that no one could offer up an argument. I hope one keeps better track of their finances.

So, does that mean something like 7 failures, 200, or 3,157?

RC, My experience has mainly been with the 3.5-10x40 VX (Vari X) III with M1's or target turret, which was my go to setup for years. I am not and have never claimed to be a "long range" hunter. These scopes were to get me to 400 yards comfortably. I have a 400 yard range with the 400 line literally 10 yards from my back door. Safe to say I'm comfortable at 400 yards. I would estimate conservatively that the number of Leup scopes would be 20. Of the 20, at least 10 have failed. Failures include shifts of zero, and I'm not only talking about little shifts either, but mostly big swings. Tracking was individual to each scope. Click values were not what they should be and returning to zero after big swings was a crap shoot (big swings were mostly during testing but I occasionally get to go long).

I'm not a fan of heavy rifles but I do have one and consider it my tester. Its a 308 with a bunch of rounds down the tube but still holding them tight. When a scope is in doubt the rig tells the tale, and its ratted out several.

Here's a sample of six 5 shot groups.




1minute,

Regarding finances, I appreciate your concern. I am a current licensed CPA. I've got it under control.

Remember, you are the one with the argument, not me. I have never claimed anyone's account to be false. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I have only followed the reports of others, with discretion, and vaguely reported my experience if anyone is interested. I have made my own conclusion based mainly on my own personal experience, confirmed by others' experience who I consider reliable sources.

This is 10 rounds from my most current rig, which weighs in at less than 8 lbs including rings and scope! Point being, shooting is NOT a priority of mine and not really even a hobby anymore, though I do my share of it. I am not an expert. But I am not an idiot!

Zinger.

Hope you get it soon.

Nice rifle ctsmith......even better shooting...
Hardly anyone anymore posts pics of 10 shot groups....
I'm interested when you want to sell it,
What are the specs?

Thanks John.

I think.


Unless you're just being a pompous a-hole Ha!

Nothing worth having comes easy and it's obvious you know that. On being branded as pompous a-holes, I think that feelings get hurt when blatant evidence is shown by either you or I that is contrary to what the owner of those feelings wants to believe. The evidence acts like a Ronco inside-the-egg egg scrambler in the brainial region of the feeling-holder causing dissonance.

I would have said "cognitive" dissonance, but there's not a lot of cognition happening around here.

There's always the possibility that he didn't want it to be a topic of discussion. Hard to fathom, eh?

I never said you were an idiot, ever. What I did say is that there are an awful lot of guys, including gunsmiths (via reliable info from our own MD's books) that do not know how to properly mount a scope. I've seen it myself on a smaller scale. There are even more of the every day hunters that don't know what parallax is, and have never even heard of it, but like to blame the scope first. We've had several instances in camp that verify this as well.

The fire has a strong legacy of shockingly ignorant PR by business owners. John Burns, Marc Taylor, Whambasted...
Say what you want about Stick, at least he has the sense to separate his income source from internet pontificating.

Hey Fost. No, HCR knows the program, 100%, and I believe you and their results as well. Notice I said earlier that I have no doubt there are a certain amount of Leupy failures. By contrast, when they lapped rings and mounted up my Leupy scope on my HCR 7mag, tracking and performance was perfect because I asked them. They said the .5" group was "easy" to obtain.

It's like anything else....if I told you personally that HCR rifles sucked because I have had multiple failures with their rifles, while at the same time you have had multiple successes with your HCR rifles, You'd likely have a hard time understanding or believing that HCR rifles suck, and I wouldn't blame you.

I'm posting this with no claim of being a expert of anything.

When I was looking for a quality knob turner scope I asked a gunsmith that I respect & does a lot of tactical rifles for his opinion, his reply; "I don't recommend any scope anymore, they all have problems!" I said,"Come on? Even S&B and Nightforce?" His response, "I've even had them come back with issues." So I redirected my questions as,"So what are on your personal rifles?" His response, "Forget it, I no longer recommend any scopes to friends and/or customers. They all have issues these days."

Of course the conversation went from there to; what kind of issues & why? He shared a lot of information with me which I will not go into here.

My recommendation is buy with in your budget and expected to have issues or get lucky and find one that does not. Truely it is a crap shoot, in my opinion.

I wouldn't. If I had good luck with them, but you and three or four others could demonstrate that there were significant problems, I would rightly figure their QC was off, and would not take the risk. Why should I? To do so, is the definition of burying your head in the sand.

Agree 100%.

Ask my good friend John (Hondo) how that philosophy turned out for him with his Zeiss a few weeks ago. And the great part about it was that I happened to be with him in Texas to witness it (actually was spotting for him when it happened). Classic!

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A sample of 100 different Leupy variables perfoming as intended is hardly "burying my head in the sand". The vast, vast majority of these same hunters show up with Swaro binocs. Maybe this proves to the 24HCF experts they aren't dumbazzzes after all?

Leupy QC may be off, I don't personally know (time will tell though).

I love the Meopta stuff I've fiddled with....a lot.

ctsmith....that would indeed pisss me off. This is exactly why, in my hardheadedness, I'm currently sworn off of SwaroA/Z3 scopes. Not to be boring redundant but I had one come apart while actually trying to kill a 190" mule deer buck. Shot the poor thing to pieces. In fact, this is what made me go back to VX3's and VX6's, at least for a while. Swaro CS is stellar though (which is a terrible quality to mention according to many here) in that they had it back to me, new erector assembly included, within 3 weeks. I sold it promptly.

My hunting buddy Big Al had a Zeiss 85T spotter go titsup (focus wheel broke) rendering it useless. It took them over 6 months to get it fixed.

Some really funny stuff there on that thread. Especially the part about dropping rifles on their scopes and the expectation that they should retain their zero.

fuggen amazin'