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If any of that happened antagonists or skeptics would have made these claims years ago and provided the evidence and proof. If Rome was persecuting Christians and trying to dispel the crucifixion and resurrection story they would not have been paid off sufficiently by a handful of poor Galilean fishermen to allow the resurrection story to continue when they were trying to stop it..
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If any of that happened antagonists or skeptics would have made these claims years ago and provided the evidence and proof. If Rome was persecuting Christians and trying to dispel the crucifixion and resurrection story they would not have been paid off sufficiently by a handful of poor Galilean fishermen to allow the resurrection story to continue when they were trying to stop it..
The harder you try the more evident it becomes that your truth is self-made. We don't know what happen immediately after the crucifixion. The closes documents we have to the event are the Gospels and the earliest Gospels are 60 to 70 years old after the event and those are copies of copies. I went back and re-read my post that you are responding to and I said it was all guess work on the part of the scholars. No one knows because it was a non event at the time. All we have is oral tradition that was finally written down decades after the event and the documents, as I've said, are copies of copies with the earliest copies being 60 to 70 years old. You are free to believe anything you want as long as you are not harming me. For me, it will take a lot more empirical evidence for me to change my opinion or beliefs if that is even possible.
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Many reputable historians don't chronicle events in real time nor do eye-witnesses. The evidence we do have supports the gospel accounts. Most people don't memoirs till the end of their life. Again your truth is self-made.
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Many reputable historians don't chronicle events in real time nor do eye-witnesses. The evidence we do have supports the gospel accounts. Most people don't memoirs till the end of their life. Again your truth is self-made. Whatever. Believe whatever you want to as long as it doesn't hurt me.
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" prove the mythology."
You are probably too stupid to see your oxymoron.
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If any of that happened antagonists or skeptics would have made these claims years ago and provided the evidence and proof. If Rome was persecuting Christians and trying to dispel the crucifixion and resurrection story they would not have been paid off sufficiently by a handful of poor Galilean fishermen to allow the resurrection story to continue when they were trying to stop it..
The harder you try the more evident it becomes that your truth is self-made. We don't know what happen immediately after the crucifixion. The closes documents we have to the event are the Gospels and the earliest Gospels are 60 to 70 years old after the event and those are copies of copies. I went back and re-read my post that you are responding to and I said it was all guess work on the part of the scholars. No one knows because it was a non event at the time. All we have is oral tradition that was finally written down decades after the event and the documents, as I've said, are copies of copies with the earliest copies being 60 to 70 years old. You are free to believe anything you want as long as you are not harming me. For me, it will take a lot more empirical evidence for me to change my opinion or beliefs if that is even possible. New Testament Canon was completed prior to 70 AD so that makes the Gospels written with 30 years or so from the actual crucifixion.
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New Testament Canon was completed prior to 70 AD so that makes the Gospels written with 30 years or so from the actual crucifixion.
No, it wasn't.
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Originally Posted By: OrangeOkie
New Testament Canon was completed prior to 70 AD so that makes the Gospels written with 30 years or so from the actual crucifixion.
No, it wasn't.
According to William F. Albright, who was not a believer, the entire New Testament was finished by the year 70AD. What is your support for your "No, it wasn't,"?
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New Testament Canon was completed prior to 70 AD so that makes the Gospels written with 30 years or so from the actual crucifixion.
No, it wasn't. Do you say that because of the prophesy assigned to Jesus regarding the destruction of the Temple which didn't occur until then?
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