Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire if the Virgin Mary had aborted Jesus, could we have avoided WWII?

it seems like folks out there are taking issue with WWII, and tghe fact we did all we could to end the war.

while Pres. Roosevelt did not authorize the bomb, it was authorized by his replacement.

and it was important that it did occur.

so, if something had "changed" a bit early on, would the outcome have been any different?

anyone know for sure?

Nothing I hate more than 'what ifs'

if we could have had more, or better information we might have arrived at a different conclusion?

using all the information at our disposal, what should we do next? does that about sum it up?

How you going to abort baby Jesus?

He woulda blown that pu$$y up and carried on. He's Jesus, you dumbazz.

It is what it is. Why be concerned with history and events you cannot change.

If Gus's Mom were a carpet muncher, would the urth's collective IQ be greater?

anyone know for sure?

What I do know, your penchant for moon-bat-kook posts is unequaled.

we might need to look at the past, to see where we are now?

we can take that information and project the information available to us into the future, to form a trajectory?

history must have value, or why would we bother to invest resources in maintaining and preserving it.

in other words, if the past had been different, would the present be differnt or the same?

Have you every contributed anything Worthwhile to this forum.?

Been here since 09,..still waiting.....

Everybody's getting tired of your same ol' Pothead questions.!

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Exactly what I said to Jen.

Gus's post sound far out but if you can read between the lines and grasp the meaning of what he's saying their not that crazy. maybe its not to late for man kind to learn from history but i doubt it.

Mom and dad leave the medicine cabinet open???

an age old solution was to kill the hell out of the messenger. then, later came the hordes who overran the dug-in positions.

the messenger was kilt, as was the opposing king, his family, and his related bureaucrats.

if the Muslims are a variation, clone, or off-shoot of the Judastic Tradition, how do we Christians fit into a niche?

It is threads like this leading the Campfire into the toilet...

the roman empire failed for some reason?

i have expected the xtians to come roaring out of the woodwork, and offer endless defenses.

so far, nada.

but, the day is not over yet.

20/20 hindsight is always more accurate than decisions made under pressure, when the situation is fluid, and with less than perfect information.

If the leaders of the UK had the courage/will to step in when Hitler started down the road that led to WW2, WW2 might not have happened. If PM Stanley Baldwin had stepped in when Germany violated the terms of the Treaty at Versailles by remilitarizing the Rhineland in 1936, it is possible that Hitler would have been inhibited from the annexation of Austria and the occupation of Czechoslovakia, both in 1938. Of course, Baldwin had to deal with the crisis of Edward VIII abdicating and George VI assuming The Throne, so he has to get a little latitude/consideration for being preoccupied.

OTOH, Chamberlain clearly appeased Hilter and Hitler, being a "given an inch, take a mile" sort of person recognized that Chamberlain would do anything to avoid war. In contrast, Hilter saw war as a reasonable means by which to further his goals. The rest, as they say, is history.

This is one of the more historically diseased threads I've seen in here.

1) The Manhattan Project was balls-to-the-wall from the start. I've known a couple that worked on it. Guys took years off their life working on that gig. Any dithering at the top did not effect day-to-day operation
2) There was no slow down after VE. The few disgruntled team members who pushed to kill the project after it was clear the Germans had lost had a gun put to their head: shut up and keep working, or we'll put you away where you can't harm the project.
3) Trinity was touched off on 16 July, and VJ-day was less than a month later. In the interim, folks involved had barely time for a shower let alone waiting for the go-ahead.
4) The Invasion of Japan was on schedule for November '45. If the bombs were a dud, we needed as much time as possible to get the logistics for that invasion in order. My Dad was slated for that shindig, and was on his way to Okinawa, one of the staging areas, when the bombs dropped. It took 2 years to get ready for the Normandy landings and the Mainland Invasion was going to be much bigger. You could not delay those bombs for a day.
5) The only delay, if you could call it that, was holding off on Hiroshima, Nygoya, Nagasaki, and the other potential A-Bomb target cities. They wanted clean targets so they could assess the damage.

This is just a theory, but I think it's a good one: Whoever was at the top (FDR or HST) knew we were going to have one mother of a bomb coming on line, and it was an important strategic tool against Uncle Joe. However, it needed to be used and it needed to be used on a live target so there would be no question as to its effect.

One thing I do know-- no theory-- is that the best thing that happened to the Japanese was those two bombs, because they kept Curtis LeMay from doing what he did best. LeMay's operation was extremely efficient and committed. He was doing with conventional munitions every day and night what folks were trying to do with nukes. The Bomb saved Japan from Lemay.

Yeah, thanks to emperor Guseus Retardus Maximus..

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