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..with a serial # indicating a 1937 or 1938 yr of manufacture. Ex except for a little bugger on the forearm. It has checkering and was advertised as an EG. I bought it at a local gun shop. In some gun books it says these early EG's don't have checkering?
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Schnabel forearm? Solid frame? Pistol grip?
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Yes to all 3. Sorry for lack of details. I was trying to post a photo. Also scroll engraving on the receiver and Lyman tang sight.
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Factory checkering on EG's started in about 1940. Check the serial numbers on the wood, end of forearm that fits against receiver, end of butt stock underneath/ on butt plate. Matching numbers will confirm the wood is correct to the receiver. If they match and the serial number is earlier, then might have been a special order. Does checkering match other EGs checkering style? GW
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sounds like a Salesman Sample gun with the roll engraveing?
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Thanks for all the good info. I will ck for the matching #'s but won't be until later. Looks like it has hardly been used. Blueing is 95% plus - looks original. Sharp points on the checkering.
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Yes, the roll engraving sounds like a Spiegel (Salesman's Sample) rifle. These are a none cataloged version.
Lets clear up the date. What is the serial number (first 4 or 5 numbers will work). For the date you gave most only had the butt checkered.
Is it drill and tapped on the barrel behind the rear sight and one hole on each side of the cocked indicator on the tang?
Is the front sling swivel used to attach the forearm or is it in addition to a forearm screw?
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Hi, I don't have it near me now but asap I will check these things out. Are "Salesmans Samples" good/bad as compared to standard factory manufacture. I think receiver serial is 377xxx. Can't remember 4th digit offhand. It is drilled up top on receiver which I thought strange.
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Congrats twin ray - looks like you hit an outta the park homer your first time at bat! If you paid a reasonable amount for your Spiegel rifle you are a winner!
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Sad to say, the stock, forend and buttplate # (4125xx) does not match the receiver (3773xx). The forearm swival screw is in addition to the forend screw. D&T - 2 on barrel between rear leaf and receiver ring, 1 on receiver ring, and 2 others just opposite cocking indicator.
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I say it's still very possible that it's a factory gun. And I think all of those holes in the metal were done at the factory as well. Somebody will surely correct me if not.
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Detailed pictures of the receiver would help.
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More pictures forthcoming.
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The one hole in the receiver ring is not factory.
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Thanks and I know that I still owe pictures 😊
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Couple extra holes on top of the receiver for a scope base, forearm swivel stud is a replacement, but lots of condition to the wood and metal and came with a nice Lyman. Very nice!
What scope base would those top holes fit, guys?
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Ya got a unique rifle there. Thanks for making the effort of posting pics.
Hole spacing? Didn't Redfield have a I pc. mount that had 3 holes? Or was that Leupold?
The holes in the barrel are for mounting blocks that secure a long target scope from that popular in that era called Unertl. The was also the Fecker line of fine scopes but I've never seen one.
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The single hole in the receiver ring looks like it could match the old Redfield 1 piece mount but sure hard to tell since all I've ever seen used 2.
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Sure would be cool to find an old period scope and mount setup. About 20 yrs ago I found mounts for my Model 1952 Mannlicher. That was really good fortune.
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The mount we believe the factory holes are drilled for has never been seen except in pictures. The old Redfields can be had though.
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I've got a 1936'ish 99R in 250 with the same two holes around the firing pin indicator, but mine doesn't have a hole on the front of the receiver. It confuses me. Jack's: Mine:
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Noticed it's also D&Ted for a S7/T7 Rory. At least that's what it looks like in the pic.
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So we have a Salesman sample receiver and barrel? with non matching number wood and butt plate with a bunch of extra holes in the receiver and barrel, likely non factory! Why all the hoopla and posting on this bastardized piece? Please explain it to me!
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So we have a Salesman sample receiver and barrel? with non matching number wood and butt plate with a bunch of extra holes in the receiver and barrel, likely non factory! Why all the hoopla and posting on this bastardized piece? Please explain it to me! Hater gunna hate.
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So we have a Salesman sample receiver and barrel? with non matching number wood and butt plate with a bunch of extra holes in the receiver and barrel, likely non factory! Why all the hoopla and posting on this bastardized piece? Please explain it to me! No, we don't have a Salesman Sample rifle. That's one of the reasons to discuss these, is to get this old incorrect information out of the way. Feel free to reread the thread, especially the links to older discussions on why these aren't Salesman Sample rifles.
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The guys that live here don't have the best reputation for telling people what they want to hear. Everybody pretty much calls a spade a spade.
The forearm and the butt and butt plate not matching the receiver (but all matching each other) doesn't count it out as a from the factory gun for me. Fit to finish is excellent. And this wouldn't be the first time we have seen an example like this where a receiver turns up from god only knows where.
Got a couple of extra holes in the metal.
Still a nice and interesting gun.
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Right now there is what looks to be an old-school Redfield JR one piece mount over on eBay that closes on Thursday Feb 19.
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I put Weaver bases on this but in each base, only 1 screw hole can be lined up. When screwed down, the bases appear tight and secure. With the low recoil, I thought I'd be OK? Scope is a 1.5 x 4.5 Weaver I had looking for a home.
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You might want to get the second hole for each Weaver mount filled and re-drilled. While your rifle doesn't have a lot of recoil one screw in each of the mounts wouldn't give me a lot of confidence. With only one screw holding each mount in place there's a lot of room for one or the other to move. JMOOMV.
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Thanks for the reply. Not the confidence building reply I hoped for. I don't want to add any more holes. Maybe a dab of some sort of adhesive under each base that won't mar the blui g would help restrict movement. Guess I'll just try it out and see if POI moves. I'd much rather have this scoped than not.
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Adhesive won't stand up to recoil. Maybe get a gunsmith to turn those 2 bases into a 1 piece base by welding a piece between?
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Exactly what bases are the holes for? Wouldn't it be better to determine that and then round up that particular base, even if it meant a search for something obsolete? Also, one could get/make a set of blank bases with no screw holes and have holes put in them to match those on the gun. Then too it wouldn't be the first time someone filled an errant hole in a base and re-drilled a new hole to match the one on the receiver. Lots of ways to skin this cat!
One screw + epoxy might well work, but it would be a bitch to find out it doesn't when out in the woods on opening day...
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His rear hole he's using is from the Spiegel d&t on top, the front hole is additional. Heck.. I don't even know how level those bases are when screwed in to those holes. Might be shooting 3' high at 100 yards for all I know.
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Gotcha. You know, I would be talking to Mike about having a Lightfoot mount made.
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Just get a mount from Lightfoot. Totally excellent, and will fix your problem.
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That is a sweet looking Savage, numbers matching or not. Put a nice mount on it and use it.
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Thanks for the replies especially info on the B&M. Nice to know. I have some ideas on how to " sturdy up" the Weaver bases. I've been put off 3 deliveries of Rem .250 brass by Cabella's. I called Remington and they said it's obsolete and they don't produce it anymore. Jaminson (sp) says they will be running a batch in a month or 2. I may just buy 22-250 brass and resize it. I'd like to see if it'll hold zero with these 1 screw mounts. You'll be the first to know the result.
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Thanks for the replies especially info on the B&M. Nice to know. I have some ideas on how to " sturdy up" the Weaver bases. I've been put off 3 deliveries of Rem .250 brass by Cabella's. I called Remington and they said it's obsolete and they don't produce it anymore. Jaminson (sp) says they will be running a batch in a month or 2. I may just buy 22-250 brass and resize it. I'd like to see if it'll hold zero with these 1 screw mounts. You'll be the first to know the result. No way would I trust one screw in each mount.
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Just asking, would it be possible to egg out the holes in the mounts enough to get all four screws in, instead of filling and re-drilling? Or, find a set of the proper mounts to fit the holes? I really like that rifle and would be searching hi and low for the proper mounts. Or, get a Lightfoot mount and hide the holes, Joe.
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IIRC the problem is that there are four holes but only two line up. The best way to fix that is to fill the two holes that don't work one way or another and drill them correctly the second time around. That's it. Done deal. The mounts will hide the work and you'll be a lot further ahead than trying to shoot the rifle with one screw in each mount. Then again, there are folks that are hard headed. Do with it what you wish. Life goes on. Have a nice day.
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When he first brought it here I thought it was drilled for the original Redfield 1 piece mount but I've never gotten enough detail to be sure.
Is there 1 or 2 holes in the receiver ring??
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When he first brought it here I thought it was drilled for the original Redfield 1 piece mount but I've never gotten enough detail to be sure.
Is there 1 or 2 holes in the receiver ring?? 1 hole Lightfoot. 2 in the rear but spaced too far apart for the Weaver base. I have a Redfield Mount that fits currect D&Ted 99's but is NG for my hole line up. Just curious, anyone have FACTUAL DATA that it won't hold POI with 1 screw ineach mount or are you just speculating? I plan to (somehow ) tie my 2 bases together. Signed, Hardheaded
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When I say "original Redfield" I'm talking about the early one that has different hole spacing than the factory chose to use. It does have 2 holes for the receiver ring though.
If I was in your shoes, I'd Loctite those single screws in place and go shootin' Risky? A little sure, and I wouldn't have it as my only gun on a serious hunt, but I bet it will stay put better than feared.
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One hole at the far front of receiver is all that was added. The rear two holes are the standard d&t on the Spiegel rifles. I'd do the lightfoot mount. Here are some photos
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I would put a Stith mount on it and forget about all those extra holes !
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I figure, if it works, good - if it doesn't, nothing lost. If it was a real kicker, like my .358, I wouldn't probably attempt this experiment. And even if it moves "a bit", I'll probably still get tighter groups at 100+ yards than my eyes would give me than with the peep sight. Thanks.
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....... Or, you could buy one of my no-drill mounts but they ain't exactly cheap.
Even after you factor in my Senior Discount?😊
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Lightfoot mount is the only way to go on this.
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