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Bullschit.

In what way?

That other countries have nuclear weapons? That Israel has nuclear weapons? That the Iranian program is deeply buried? That such facilities (e.g., Cheyenne Mountain) can withstand nuclear attack? That the US is tired of war and the continuing loss of Americans? That international sanctions have hurt Iran, but they've adapted? That no one (including Israel, Europe, the US, Russia, etc.) has been able to control Iran's insatiable desire to have nuclear weapons? That any deal is better than no deal? That oil enbargos have hurt Iran, but have been ineffective?

What specifically is bull [bleep]? Or, are just spitting out your pie hole?

Anyone who believes that Iran could go from nothing to the ability to pose an offensive threat to either Israel *or* America is completely out to lunch,..so the obvious question is, Why does Israel have such a hard on for Iran?

For damn near 2 decades Israel has been harping at America to go to war against Iran. It's long since gotten past being ridiculous.

It's especially irritating considering the debt situation in America,..which Israel is completely aware of.

This country has done enough for Israel,...way too much, actually.

Jew-hater, much?

That's a classic response.

We have other ways of dealing with it, other than capitulation. The problem is with old f'ks like you that have done nothing but leech your entire lives off the taxes of others, without risking a thing. We haven't the balls as a nation any longer to deal with threats; instead, we kowtow to bureaucrats like you that snivel and cower and say there's no other way.

Let me ask you this, would you find it satisfactory to give unlimited nuclear capability to Iran today?

You your answer is no, then WTF would you be OK with it in ten years? If you trust Iran, then call for unregulated Iranian access to nuclear capabilities TODAY! If you don't trust Iran, then call on Obama to SHOW US his plan does no such thing...or do we have to wait until it passes to find out what's in it?

A bare bones nuclear offensive device fielded by Iran is a serious threat to Israel. A nation the size of a small New England state could be damaged to an unrecoverable level by a weapon that would not necessarily be a stunning blow to the United States. Any failure to recognize this is ignorance by choice.

Edit: AKA stupidity

Israel has every defensive capability America has.

Iran will never be able to develop a technology that gets beyond it.

Heck of speech. He's a leader.

I wish we had one.

That's just foolish thought not founded in fact. Iran is Israel's neighbor. A neighbor bent on murder. To give Iran almost unlimited ability to pursue nuclear offensive capability is to sigh a death warrant first for Israel then for the next Great Satanic Enemy of Islam.

Only because the US consistently tells them to stay out of it.

Interesting thoughts.

But what gives America the right to forbid a sovereign nation from having nuclear power plants?

Or nuclear weapons for that matter? When did we get the nuclear permit franchise for the entire world?

Interesting questions.

Thus far, nuclear nations have exercised restraint (includes the US, Russia, China, France, Britain, India, Pakistan, Israel, South Africa and several former USSR states (SA and former USSR nations had them but gave them up). North Korea is a real issue with a nuclear-armed nut case in charge.

Iran is a bombastic nation led by pragmatic zealots; I believe they will threaten, but probably not use nukes unless really threatened. The Iranian leadership knows that massive fire power will rain down on them if they use such a weapon and whatever they are, they are pragmatic.

North Korea, led by the little idiot with the funny haircut, is another case; it has little to loose in any war (they have nothing anyway) and can inflict a lot of damage - the Supreme leader, Kim Jong-un can only gain respect (i.e., fear) by threatening nuclear warfare, and that is a real problem.

just because Israel is more technologically advanced then Iran, doesn't mean whatever technology Iran has wouldn't still be dangerous.

And be that as it may, I like the fact that the speech was simply not to allow Iran to achieve nuclear capability, via the current negotiations.

You've made it about going to war with Iran, just to promote your prejudice.

Thats a liberal tactic from day one.

Why are you so concerned about this country since you haven't really done anything but bitch about it? Won't be your kids going if there's a war. Won't really affect your ability to tune up and tune out, either. (I know, you're a patriot)

Like your loyal supporter gutshot, who is still trying to dress up his vote for Øbama as a "win" on principle.

Looks like you both are experiencing a hangover from your mistakes.

Israel should attack us because we have only given them $17,744.90 in entitlements since obama took office. Can you imagine any other government being able to operate on less then $20 grand worth of welfare payouts over 7 years?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html

Ahhhh ... you need either better reading glasses or a better math teacher.

That number - $17,744.90 - is in millions of dollars (according to your listed website). So the real number that the Obama Administration has given Israel is $17,477,900,000.00 (plus or minus a million bucks or two).

And for all the money ($120,472,000,000 total) that the US has given to Israel since 1949, we've been:
- Attacked by Israel with US servicemen killed and wounded (USS Liberty)
- Rebuffed at all attempts to settle the Middle-East situation fairly
- Had our weapons systems technology copied and sold in competition to US manufacturers (loss of US jobs)

How much more do you think we should take? Maybe we'd be better off if we wrote-off the $17,744.90 and asked for a refund on the rest.

There is no settling the Middle-East situation fairly without a sovereign nation of Israel.

That set of facts happen to be anti-semitic and full of hate and you should be ashamed of yourself for citing them, Adolf .

There; I beat the pachyderm sack suckers here to the punch.

The Only Real Leader of the Free World just Spoke the Truth to our Congress.

Compare his words to some of the shear stupidity posted on these threads...

For those who believe that Iran threatens the Jewish state, but not the Jewish people, listen to Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, Iran’s chief terrorist proxy. He said: If all the Jews gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of chasing them down around the world.

But Iran’s regime is not merely a Jewish problem, any more than the Nazi regime was merely a Jewish problem. The 6 million Jews murdered by the Nazis were but a fraction of the 60 million people killed in World War II. So, too, Iran’s regime poses a grave threat, not only to Israel, but also the peace of the entire world. To understand just how dangerous Iran would be with nuclear weapons, we must fully understand the nature of the regime.

NETANYAHU: The people of Iran are very talented people. They’re heirs to one of the world’s great civilizations. But in 1979, they were hijacked by religious zealots — religious zealots who imposed on them immediately a dark and brutal dictatorship.

That year, the zealots drafted a constitution, a new one for Iran. It directed the revolutionary guards not only to protect Iran’s borders, but also to fulfill the ideological mission of jihad. The regime’s founder, Ayatollah Khomeini, exhorted his followers to “export the revolution throughout the world.”