This speech is stomping all over Obama's nuts. Will be interesting to see how the Petulant Man Child responds after this, you now he won't sit quietly...
This speech is stomping all over Obama's nuts. Will be interesting to see how the Petulant Man Child responds after this, you now he won't sit quietly...
Bambam already alluded to listening to JZ or some other such bullshit during the speech.
It boggles my mind how a leader would dis another world leader like this.
He'd be sucking frumunda cheese off of Imadinnajacket if he was here speaking...
When he put that third condition (stop threatening to annihilate Israel) out there, the members of the CBC (especially the females) refused to stand or clap.
The Ds, and especially Boxer, Mikulski, and Feinstein, didn't stand or clap when the demand for Iran to act like a normal nation was made.
Wouldn't it be inspiring to live under leadership like that? To have enough self-respect, rather than our own self-loathing heaped on us by the America-haters and apologists in the media and government, to stand and fight for what you believe is right? To defend yourself from tyranny and oppression unapologetically, and vow to go down fighting. Wow, I am impressed with Israels leader, and embarrassed of ours.
Did I hear him say that the Zionists must keep murdering the Palestinians to steal their land because the Zionists need more lebensraum?
I'm surprised he would be so honest and use the word of his hero Adolf.
SMH......just don't know how to address such wrong thought. Inaccurate on so many levels.
Ignore it.
Rick doesn't give a damn about lying [bleep] being here, regardless of their open and blatant anti-Semitism (or, in the case of GSB's BFF, Larry Root, their open cons and scams on this site). They drive page hits and post counts.
We're just supposed to "ignore" them and act like they aren't there.
We've been wargaming this for years and I'm sure it goes on. I have no idea how vast a strike it will be (depending on the dispersal of the Iranian facilities), but I imagine it will be a similar one to the strike at Osirik in Iraq and even some insertions. I don't expect the Iranian Air Farce to be much of a threat...
We've been wargaming this for years and I'm sure it goes on. I have no idea how vast a strike it will be (depending on the dispersal of the Iranian facilities), but I imagine it will be a similar one to the strike at Osirik in Iraq and even some insertions. I don't expect the Iranian Air Farce to be much of a threat...
The Israelis will be VERY thorough in their delivery I'm bettin'
Not that I expected anything more, but the fact Obama was absent was an embarrassment beyond the pale. I just cannot fathom the idea that our dear leader was not present for this momentous occasion. It was a sad day for our country in that respect.
Benji was spot on and clearly a world leader on a world stage. If only.....
Roger, thanks. wow, "even if Israel has to stand alone, Israel will stand".... That strike is going to be a masterpiece...
Obama had to go hide under the bed rather than follow protocols rendering appropriate respect to a visiting head of state. Democratic members of Congress sound like they behaved childishly. Nehanyatu stated the obvious, i.e., that Iran's nuclear ambitions represent an alarming threat to what passes for stability in the Middle East, and that Israel will act alone if the Obama administration goes ahead with this insane treaty.
No surprises here.
He has publicly put Obama on notice... Israel is gonna strike Iran if the nuclear process continues. When (not if) that happens, Obama is going to look like even more of a foreign policy idiot than he already does, no matter how he reacts to it.
The Obama administration has the opportunity to defuse this situation, and has had for several years. He/they have done nothing to ramp this situation down, short of the alleged threat to shoot down Israeli planes last year (like Obama would have the balls to actually give that order!!! LOL!!). Now the situation is rapidly escalating and his response is to send in Kerry with a Chamberlain-like appeasement package, essentially pouring gasoline on the flames. What's his next move, send in James Taylor again?
Did I hear him say that the Zionists must keep murdering the Palestinians to steal their land because the Zionists need more lebensraum?
I'm surprised he would be so honest and use the word of his hero Adolf.
SMH......just don't know how to address such wrong thought. Inaccurate on so many levels.
Ignore it.
Rick doesn't give a damn about lying [bleep] being here, regardless of their open and blatant anti-Semitism (or, in the case of GSB's BFF, Larry Root, their open cons and scams on this site). They drive page hits and post counts.
We're just supposed to "ignore" them and act like they aren't there.
No, Rick is right regarding free discussion. But just as in other areas of society we must recognize some thoughts and ideas are not worthy of consideration; that there really is such a thing as being irrational and totally wrong.
The only reason the politicians kiss Netanyahu's ass is that they're addicted to huge campaign contributions from rich Zionists and the fevered and riotous adoration from the fundamentalist Christians.
the man had something to say. he said it. he repeated it, and he concluded with the most important issue he came to state. good form, good format.
and just compare this 40 minutes with the last (5?) state of the union speeches to congress?
hope our President took notes on how to be clear, relevant, and concise.
even for those that disagree completely with the points made, or those that hate the Israel state, the speech gave clear points to debate or to reject.
and ZERO administration representation?
my kids used to put their hands over their ears and pretend not to listen.
We've been wargaming this for years and I'm sure it goes on. I have no idea how vast a strike it will be (depending on the dispersal of the Iranian facilities), but I imagine it will be a similar one to the strike at Osirik in Iraq and even some insertions. I don't expect the Iranian Air Farce to be much of a threat...
Agreed. I expect a multi-pronged attack, not just air strikes on facilities. Key Iranian personnel will be interdicted.
The only reason the politicians kiss Netanyahu's ass is that they're addicted to huge campaign contributions from rich Zionists and the fevered and riotous adoration from the fundamentalist Christians.
No, Rick is right regarding free discussion. But just as in other areas of society we must recognize some thoughts and ideas are not worthy of consideration; that there really is such a thing as being irrational and totally wrong.
Tell me about it.
There must have been a hundred irrational posts on this thread alone.....yet--I try to respond to all in a rational way--hoping they can learn.
No, Rick is right regarding free discussion. But just as in other areas of society we must recognize some thoughts and ideas are not worthy of consideration; that there really is such a thing as being irrational and totally wrong.
Try using the same level of free discussion about blacks, Asians, etc., and see how far you get.
Go ahead: post up a thread about "negroes" and aggression and put it in the thread title. Try that a couple of times (it'd be in line with the Zionist threads we have had here quite often) and see how far you get.
Meh. GutShotDouche is just another small-minded agent provocateur from DU or some such site. Likely reporting back to his buddies how he's cutting us to shreds with his rapier-like wit.
I had him on ignore before he hit 30 posts.
Nothing to see here, folks, just another sock-puppet. Let's just move along.
Did I hear him say that the Zionists must keep murdering the Palestinians to steal their land because the Zionists need more lebensraum?
I'm surprised he would be so honest and use the word of his hero Adolf.
How come I get the feeling that the only reason you give a flying [bleep] about Palestinians is because it gives you another opportunity to poke at Israel.
You boarding any of the Somalis y'all have up there?
No, Rick is right regarding free discussion. But just as in other areas of society we must recognize some thoughts and ideas are not worthy of consideration; that there really is such a thing as being irrational and totally wrong.
Try using the same level of free discussion about blacks, Asians, etc., and see how far you get.
Go ahead: post up a thread about "negroes" and aggression and put it in the thread title. Try that a couple of times (it'd be in line with the Zionist threads we have had here quite often) and see how far you get.
That's the damn truth, maybe I should start a thread on why 5% of the population makes up 65% of the population in the jails and prisons.
No, Rick is right regarding free discussion. But just as in other areas of society we must recognize some thoughts and ideas are not worthy of consideration; that there really is such a thing as being irrational and totally wrong.
Tell me about it.
There must have been a hundred irrational posts on this thread alone.....yet--I try to respond to all in a rational way--hoping they can learn.
No, you're pitifully wrong on the Israeli issues. Ideas undeserving of consideration.
No, Rick is right regarding free discussion. But just as in other areas of society we must recognize some thoughts and ideas are not worthy of consideration; that there really is such a thing as being irrational and totally wrong.
Try using the same level of free discussion about blacks, Asians, etc., and see how far you get.
Go ahead: post up a thread about "negroes" and aggression and put it in the thread title. Try that a couple of times (it'd be in line with the Zionist threads we have had here quite often) and see how far you get.
That's the damn truth, maybe I should start a thread on why 5% of the population makes up 65% of the population in the jails and prisons.
The "truth" is not wanted.
I believe that thread would survive. But without the famous N word. Nothing wrong with listing accurate statistics.
No, Rick is right regarding free discussion. But just as in other areas of society we must recognize some thoughts and ideas are not worthy of consideration; that there really is such a thing as being irrational and totally wrong.
Try using the same level of free discussion about blacks, Asians, etc., and see how far you get.
Go ahead: post up a thread about "negroes" and aggression and put it in the thread title. Try that a couple of times (it'd be in line with the Zionist threads we have had here quite often) and see how far you get.
That's the damn truth, maybe I should start a thread on why 5% of the population makes up 65% of the population in the jails and prisons.
The "truth" is not wanted.
I believe that thread would survive. But without the famous N word. Nothing wrong with listing accurate statistics.
Go ahead: start a thread about such statistics and title it "Fruits of Negro Aggression".
Start another one about "Negro" crimes.
Keep that up, and see how long it takes for you to get called to the principals office.
even for those that disagree completely with the points made, or those that hate the Israel state, the speech gave clear points to debate or to reject.
It was a colossal waste of breath, because until he faces the problem of Palestine--his words mean nothing.
All the bragging and macho chest-beating in the world will not change the facts.
Palestine is the root of all of the Zionist problems.....and Zionists are pretending that issue does not exist.
The entire Middle East is spiraling OUT OF CONTROL right now and the root of all the war, terrorism and strife is the Zionist atrocities against the Palestinians.
So, he babbles on about being a courageous victim while he fails to even address the root of the problem.
That's how nations fail and that's why this rogue regime the call "Israel" will fail.
Netanhyu can talk because he walked the walk. He loves his country and has served it and he lost a brother who rescued hostages held by one of Obamas heroes Idi Ahmin.
Netanhyu can talk because he walked the walk. He loves his country and has served it and he lost a brother who rescued hostages held by one of Obamas heroes Idi Ahmin.
Gutshot Buck FOAD
Yup, Bibi and his Bro were both great warriors for their country, when I admire putin 100 fold more than what we currently have, we are in deep chit and in need of LEADERSHIP in this Country.
even for those that disagree completely with the points made, or those that hate the Israel state, the speech gave clear points to debate or to reject.
It was a colossal waste of breath, because until he faces the problem of Palestine--his words mean nothing.
All the bragging and macho chest-beating in the world will not change the facts.
Palestine is the root of all of the Zionist problems.....and Zionists are pretending that issue does not exist.
The entire Middle East is spiraling OUT OF CONTROL right now and the root of all the war, terrorism and strife is the Zionist atrocities against the Palestinians.
So, he babbles on about being a courageous victim while he fails to even address the root of the problem.
That's how nations fail and that's why this rogue regime the call "Israel" will fail.
It continually amazes me how all the Muslim countries in the Middle East yell for a Palestinian Homeland but none are willing to donate land.
"Some people "spiritualize away" the promises of God to the Patriarchs. It is certainly true that many of those promises have spiritual meaning and will have spiritual fulfillment. For example, the promise of the eternal possession of the land certainly has reference to spiritual Israel's inheriting the entire world. However, it is unfair to limit God's promises in this way. The promise that Israel would "possess the gates of those who hate them" (Genesis 24:60) is a good example of a physical blessing, one that cannot be "spiritualized away." In Genesis 22:17, the reference is to the "gate of their enemies." However, in God's Kingdom, all that offends will have passed away. All the spirit beings there will enjoy rich, eternal relationships with the children of God. There will be no "enemies"; no one will "hate" others. Clearly, the "gate" promise has its clearest fulfillment in this age; it is a physical blessing God bestowed on Israel after the completion of her 2,520 years of punishment."
You start it and I'll post support. Have neither the stats at hand or the desire to find them.
I don't have to, because I've already seen what happens and why. There are several people who have made that mistake around here, and every one of them has gotten called to the carpet for it.
Anti-Semitism isn't a filter that the advertisers here care about, so it doesn't come up and doesn't impact ad revenue.
Why do you think I can type "himey", or "heeb" or "hymie" or "kike" or "yid", but not "[bleep]"?
You can start a thread with Zionist and lambaste Jews, or probably with any of other derogatory slurs toward Jews, but you start one with Negro in the title and use FACTS against blacks, and you'll trip the censor triggers fast.
Hell, CATC wasn't banished until it went rabidly anti-Catholic (and only then after several top-shelf members left). The anti-Semitism there was de rigueur.
even for those that disagree completely with the points made, or those that hate the Israel state, the speech gave clear points to debate or to reject.
It was a colossal waste of breath, because until he faces the problem of Palestine--his words mean nothing.
All the bragging and macho chest-beating in the world will not change the facts.
Palestine is the root of all of the Zionist problems.....and Zionists are pretending that issue does not exist.
The entire Middle East is spiraling OUT OF CONTROL right now and the root of all the war, terrorism and strife is the Zionist atrocities against the Palestinians.
So, he babbles on about being a courageous victim while he fails to even address the root of the problem.
That's how nations fail and that's why this rogue regime the call "Israel" will fail.
It continually amazes me how all the Muslim countries in the Middle East yell for a Palestinian Homeland but none are willing to donate land.
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It continually amazes me how all the Muslim countries in the Middle East yell for a Palestinian Homeland but none are willing to donate land.
Why should they?
The Palestinians have their own land. The Zionists are sitting on it.
even for those that disagree completely with the points made, or those that hate the Israel state, the speech gave clear points to debate or to reject.
It was a colossal waste of breath, because until he faces the problem of Palestine--his words mean nothing.
All the bragging and macho chest-beating in the world will not change the facts.
Palestine is the root of all of the Zionist problems.....and Zionists are pretending that issue does not exist.
The entire Middle East is spiraling OUT OF CONTROL right now and the root of all the war, terrorism and strife is the Zionist atrocities against the Palestinians.
So, he babbles on about being a courageous victim while he fails to even address the root of the problem.
That's how nations fail and that's why this rogue regime the call "Israel" will fail.
It continually amazes me how all the Muslim countries in the Middle East yell for a Palestinian Homeland but none are willing to donate land.
Exactly . His idol zero has created more destruction in the middle east with his ARAB Spring then anything else on record in that region including the 7 day war with Egypt.
You can start a thread with Zionist and lambaste Jews, or probably with any of other derogatory slurs toward Jews, but you start one with Negro in the title and use FACTS against blacks, and you'll trip the censor triggers fast.
This is why I never criticize Jews and even use Jewish links to prove my points.
I have nothing against Jews.....in fact I defend them when attacked......but I AM totally against the Zionists!
even for those that disagree completely with the points made, or those that hate the Israel state, the speech gave clear points to debate or to reject.
It was a colossal waste of breath, because until he faces the problem of Palestine--his words mean nothing.
All the bragging and macho chest-beating in the world will not change the facts.
Palestine is the root of all of the Zionist problems.....and Zionists are pretending that issue does not exist.
The entire Middle East is spiraling OUT OF CONTROL right now and the root of all the war, terrorism and strife is the Zionist atrocities against the Palestinians.
So, he babbles on about being a courageous victim while he fails to even address the root of the problem.
That's how nations fail and that's why this rogue regime the call "Israel" will fail.
It continually amazes me how all the Muslim countries in the Middle East yell for a Palestinian Homeland but none are willing to donate land.
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It continually amazes me how all the Muslim countries in the Middle East yell for a Palestinian Homeland but none are willing to donate land.
Why should they?
The Palestinians have their own land. The Zionists are sitting on it.
Playing games with semantics does not change the fact that the Palestinians were driven out and are now fighting to GET THEIR LAND BACK.
When the rockets fall on the Zionists it's pretty hard to deny that the Palestinians are determined to get their land back even if they are outgunned......they serve notice that they will not be outlasted.
1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution, and slaughter.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.
19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.
Wait... did that little prick just say that the Iranians positively support the US and that we (the US) have a rich history of cooperation with the Iranians?
Wait... did that little prick just say that the Iranians positively support the US and that we (the US) have a rich history of cooperation with the Iranians?
Who is in favor of America going to war with Iran?
Me. We should have blown Iran back into the stone age when your first hero jimmah cahtah was the president. Never too late to correct an error. Btw bristoe, to my memory never in your life have you EVER put your life or anything important on the line for anybody else. My conclusion is that you couldn't be depended on for damn near anything.
It's that "war" thing that Americans have. I asked the question because I was interested in seeing how enthusiastic people on this forum are about extending our current war in the Middle East to include Iran.
It should have STARTED with Iran. The gutless response to the taking of the embassy in Tehran actually was the birthplace of terrorism against the USA.
It's that "war" thing that Americans have. I asked the question because I was interested in seeing how enthusiastic people on this forum are about extending our current war in the Middle East to include Iran.
Since you don't like Jews I guess we know where you stand.
It's going to happen eventually. Might as well get it over with. We've been dicking around with the Middle East for 50 years and trying to avoid actually kicking the schit out those over there that really need it for 40 of them.
It's that "war" thing that Americans have. I asked the question because I was interested in seeing how enthusiastic people on this forum are about extending our current war in the Middle East to include Iran.
Since you don't like Jews I guess we know where you stand.
Are you in favor of America going to war with Iran?
BTW - at no point was the US going to war with Iran mentioned. Netanyahu stated quite plainly that Israel will act even if it has to act alone.
I suspect the IDF is more than capable of taking care of Iran. There is no Iraq now, and no Syria to amount to anything. Egypt is a shell, and Libya is gone. Jordan will most likely not to anything against Israel is they go after Iran, and the Lebanese are, well, the Lebanese.
That leaves Iran and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis will feign shock and surprise and want sanctions against Israel, but having their age old enemy of Iran knocked back down a few pegs won't upset them much at all.
I'm in favor of doing what it takes to preserve America. If I could be convinced that Iran, or any country or regime 1) had it in for America 2) had the means to deliver 3) had the motivation 4) had the history 5) have the opportunity
Then I'd be for protecting America. Wouldn't you?
My guess is you must disagree on Iran being a threat to America? ISIS?
Wouldn't it be inspiring to live under leadership like that?
Thanks, I'll take George Washington:
Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial, else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests. The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.
Shiite Iran Deploys Forces to Fight al Qaeda-Inspired Sunni Militants in Iraq
Shiite Revolutionary Guard Forces Help Shiite Iraqi Troops Win Back Control of Most of Tikrit from Sunni's, Sources Say
The leaders of Iran don't think of Iran as a nation with normal political functions. The leaders of Iran are Shiite Islamists, and they are determined to not only make Islam the ruling force in the entire world, but they are determined to make Shiite Islam the ruling force. They are as eager to slaughter Sunni Islamists as they are Christians, and only slightly less eager than they are to kill Jews.
The history of Iran's emergence as a rogue nation started with the Shiite revolution under Ayatollah Khomeini during the Carter administration. In the early days of that regime, Iran was purged of Jews, Christians, and Sunni Muslims. Iran's war with Iraq was essentially a Shiite-on-Sunni war.
Iran doesn't give a rat's pizzle about ISIS, Iraq, or any other such realities. All they care about is slaughtering non-Shiite Muslims. This hardly makes them ally material.
The Mossad didn't create ISIS. That's complete horsechit.
ISIS is an outgrowth of al-Queda, and AQ was created/funded by the Saudis.
Anyone that believes that ISIS was created by the Mossad is truly, epically stupid or an Iranian mullah that believes schit like attractive women who don't wear burkahs cause earthquakes.
Who is in favor of America going to war with Iran?
A completely worthless question with an expected outcome. Spend the time and brain cells to pose it in semi-cogent terms and you might get some answers (that no matter how correct, you'll disagree with, so in reality why bother). So, I will leave you with "it depends"...
Absolutely. It's the war we should have fought instead of Iraq. We'll still have to do it and they are a horrible state sponsor of terrorism. No time like the present, but that won't happen with the traitor in the whitehouse.
Read the link I posted. It's a major Israeli newspaper.
Right.
It's an israeli newspaper stating that Iran's prime minister says that mossad created ISIS.
And you are stating that that is credible proof that it is true?
Fire up the bong....
Well, damn. I guess we're all screwed when the geologic fault lines find out about this one. I mean, it's an Iranian quoted in a Western paper, it HAS to be Gospel, right?
Women to blame for earthquakes, says Iran cleric Women behaving promiscuously are causing the earth to shake, according to cleric, as Ahmadinejad predicts Tehran quake
Associated Press
Monday 19 April 2010 11.00 EDT
A senior Iranian cleric says women who wear revealing clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for earthquakes.
Iran is one of the world's most earthquake-prone countries, and the cleric's unusual explanation for why the earth shakes follows a prediction by the president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, that a quake is certain to hit Tehran and that many of its 12 million inhabitants should relocate.
"Many women who do not dress modestly ... lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which increases earthquakes," Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi was quoted as saying by Iranian media. Women in the Islamic Republic are required by law to cover from head to toe, but many, especially the young, ignore some of the more strict codes and wear tight coats and scarves pulled back that show much of the hair. "What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble?" Sedighi asked during a prayer sermon last week. "There is no other solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam's moral codes." Seismologists have warned for at least two decades that it is likely the sprawling capital will be struck by a catastrophic quake in the near future. Some experts have even suggested Iran should move its capital to a less seismically active location. Tehran straddles scores of fault lines, including one more than 50 miles long, though it has not suffered a major quake since 1830.
In 2003, a powerful earthquake hit the southern city of Bam, killing 31,000 people – about a quarter of that city's population – and destroying its ancient mud-built citadel.
"A divine authority told me to tell the people to make a general repentance. Why? Because calamities threaten us," said Sedighi, Tehran's acting Friday prayer leader. Referring to the violence that followed last June's disputed presidential election, he said: "The political earthquake that occurred was a reaction to some of the actions [that took place]. And now, if a natural earthquake hits Tehran, no one will be able to confront such a calamity but God's power, only God's power ... So let's not disappoint God."
The Iranian government and its security forces have been locked in a bloody battle with a large opposition movement that accuses Ahmadinejad of winning last year's vote by fraud.
Ahmadinejad made his quake prediction two weeks ago but said he could not give an exact date. He acknowledged that he could not order all of Tehran's 12m people to evacuate. "But provisions have to be made ... at least 5 million should leave Tehran so it is less crowded," the president said.
The welfare minister, Sadeq Mahsooli, said prayers and pleas for forgiveness were the best "formulae to repel earthquakes. We cannot invent a system that prevents earthquakes, but God has created this system and that is to avoid sins, to pray, to seek forgiveness, pay alms and self-sacrifice," Mahsooli said.
Israel's military leaders warn against Iran attack
Almost the entire senior hierarchy of Israel's military and security establishment is worried about a premature attack on Iran and apprehensive about the possible repercussions, a former chief of the country's defence forces told The Independent yesterday.
Israel doesn't have the sack to attack Iran, which is why bibi is over here stumping to send the clueless Goys in for them. I've seen this movie before.
Israel doesn't have the sack to attack Iran, which is why bibi is over here stumping to send the clueless Goys in for them. I've seen this movie before.
I guess they didn't have the "sack" when they attacked Syria, Jordan AND Egypt simultaneously...Oh, and I forgot Iraq at their apogee of military power.. Dislike (in your case HATE) and distrust them all you want, but your post is nonsense..
Israel doesn't have the sack to attack Iran, which is why bibi is over here stumping to send the clueless Goys in for them. I've seen this movie before.
I guess they didn't have the "sack" when they attacked Syria, Jordan AND Egypt simultaneously...Oh, and I forgot Iraq at their apogee of military power.. Dislike (in your case HATE) and distrust them all you want, but your post is nonsense..
Yeah and they were shoulder to shoulder with us in Afghan and Iraq...oh wait.
Didn't say, nor have I ever said they were our "allies", in fact if you take the time to read and comprehend my posts, my stand on Israel is plain and simple and "allies" is not in my equation.
Well,...it doesn't seem as if America going to war with Iran is a popular theme even anybody on this forum is going to rise and take the bait for my loaded, absurd question..
Wouldn't it be inspiring to live under leadership like that? To have enough self-respect, rather than our own self-loathing heaped on us by the America-haters and apologists in the media and government, to stand and fight for what you believe is right? To defend yourself from tyranny and oppression unapologetically, and vow to go down fighting. Wow, I am impressed with Israels leader, and embarrassed of ours.
I am completely with you on your sentiments re: leaders and leaderlesness, however the socialism we lament here in the USA is years behind what is reality in Israel.
We shouldn't forget that Israel is a socialist state, and their people have much more limited freedoms than we enjoy (for the time being) here.
Much of what Israel has in its leaders (read: BALLS) are things most desireable for us here, but there is a lot that they have which we'd be best off recognizing as far less than desireable, the cojones of their leadership notwitstanding.
Didn't say, nor have I ever said they were our "allies", in fact if you take the time to read and comprehend my posts, my stand on Israel is plain and simple and "allies" is not in my equation.
You've said many times on this forum that the creation of Israel was a bad idea. On that, you and I agree.
Well,...it doesn't seem as if America going to war with Iran is a popular theme even anybody on this forum is going to rise and take the bait for my loaded, absurd question..
Fixed it for you.
There was absolutely nothing absurd or loaded about the question.
It was a straightforward question that you refused to answer in a straightforward fashion.
Obviously, Netanyahu has decided that the time for negotiations is over.
That is an entirely different question than the one you posed. You're so blinded with hatred (to the point of believing what a Mullah says and after Sean smacked you down and you sheepishly slinked away)you can't even comprehend your own words.
BTW, I agree with Netanyahu as far as ISRAEL's actions are concerned (and not the US').
But if your question is should we go to war with Iran to prevent them from obtaining nuclear weapons, ABSOLUTELY, and we should have turned right when we were in Iraq in 03. And there are a whole host of other scenarios where action is apropos. BTW, I mean real, TOTAL war. There you go.
So,..are you in favor of America going to war with Iran?
Of course they are...these guys can ALWAYS find a reason to go to war.
Bullschit.
Really? People around here have been talking about going to war with Iran for 10 years now.
That's because it ought to have BEEN done.
Iraq was the wrong one in the ME to deal with.
Hell, we should have pulverized Iran in the '70s with Peanut Jimmy was in office, but we didn't. We should have done it time and again when Reagan, Bush I, Klintoon, "W", and Hussein have been in office, but we didn't.
We're going to end up having to deal with them, but apparently Washington wants to wait until AFTER they get nukes in order to do so.
Hell, we should have pulverized Iran in the '70s with Peanut Jimmy was in office, but we didn't. We should have done it time and again when Reagan, Bush I, Klintoon, "W", and Hussein have been in office, but we didn't.
We're going to end up having to deal with them, but apparently Washington wants to wait until AFTER they get nukes in order to do so.
Well there you go.
Unless we go into a full on ground war with Iran, we are not going to stop them from becoming a nuclear state. That point passed 15 years ago.
As much as I dislike Iran, I can live with them being a nuclear power...I don't want to, but I may have to. But consider this, they are FAR more stable than North Korea and Pakistan, and I don't hear anyone talking about invading those two nations.
The U.S. may not want "boots on the ground" in Iraq, but Iran sure does. In Iraqi Kurdistan, Iran's military involvement in the Kurdish governorates of northern Iraq is multi-varied and on the increase.
Kurdish Rudaw T.V. has reported on Iran's support for Kurdistan's Peshmerga (military) campaign to regain villages lost to Islamic State [IS] jihadists this past summer. Rudaw T.V. even discussed the public visits of Iran's Major General Qasem Soleimani, commander of the Revolutionary Guard's Qods Force, to the Peshmerga front line against the IS
So,....Iran is fighting against the Islamic radicals in Iraq and supporting America's allies, the Kurds,..and Netanyahu wants to bomb them?
Well,...it doesn't seem as if America going to war with Iran is a popular theme even anybody on this forum is going to rise and take the bait for my loaded, absurd question..
Fixed it for you.
There was absolutely nothing absurd or loaded about the question.
It was a straightforward question that you refused to answer in a straightforward fashion.
Obviously, Netanyahu has decided that the time for negotiations is over.
Either you agree with him or you don't.
The Only Real Leader of the Free World just Spoke the Truth to our Congress.
Obviously, Netanyahu said that this is the time for Real negotiations with some Real teeth in them.
Hell, we should have pulverized Iran in the '70s with Peanut Jimmy was in office, but we didn't. We should have done it time and again when Reagan, Bush I, Klintoon, "W", and Hussein have been in office, but we didn't.
We're going to end up having to deal with them, but apparently Washington wants to wait until AFTER they get nukes in order to do so.
Well there you go.
Unless we go into a full on ground war with Iran, we are not going to stop them from becoming a nuclear state. That point passed 15 years ago.
As much as I dislike Iran, I can live with them being a nuclear power...I don't want to, but I may have to. But consider this, they are FAR more stable than North Korea and Pakistan, and I don't hear anyone talking about invading those two nations.
Stability is not necessarily the issue. They are "stable", but they have stated time and again their goals to destroy "The Great Satan" (us).
When we end up with a nuke in one (or more) of our cities, the only blame will rest with the Chamberlain-esque and Wilson-esque apologists who didn't want to address the problem in it's early stages.
I understand people not wanting to have their sons or daughters die in a foreign land. They, however, are making a fool's bargain for temporary peace and false security.
The die has been cast. We will have to fight Iran, and we will have to do so in a real war (not this kid gloves schit we've been trying). The only questions are when and what capabilities will we allow them to have first.
Hell, we should have pulverized Iran in the '70s with Peanut Jimmy was in office, but we didn't. We should have done it time and again when Reagan, Bush I, Klintoon, "W", and Hussein have been in office, but we didn't.
We're going to end up having to deal with them, but apparently Washington wants to wait until AFTER they get nukes in order to do so.
Well there you go.
Unless we go into a full on ground war with Iran, we are not going to stop them from becoming a nuclear state. That point passed 15 years ago.
As much as I dislike Iran, I can live with them being a nuclear power...I don't want to, but I may have to. But consider this, they are FAR more stable than North Korea and Pakistan, and I don't hear anyone talking about invading those two nations.
Stability is not necessarily the issue. They are "stable", but they have stated time and again their goals to destroy "The Great Satan" (us).
When we end up with a nuke in one (or more) of our cities, the only blame will rest with the Chamberlain-esque and Wilson-esque apologists who didn't want to address the problem in it's early stages.
I understand people not wanting to have their sons or daughters die in a foreign land. They, however, are making a fool's bargain for temporary peace and false security.
The die has been cast. We will have to fight Iran, and we will have to do so in a real war (not this kid gloves schit we've been trying). The only questions are when and what capabilities will we allow them to have first.
So,..are you in favor of America going to war with Iran?
Did you watch the entire Netanyehu speech.?
Whether you'll admit it or not, Iran is at war with us already, what do you need, a declaration signed by the Mullahs.? Iran simply does not have the military means to do us harm yet. Once Obama signs his Dream Peace accord, they will.
I guess they're just training for [bleep] and giggles...
So let's sum up. America's Chairman of Homeland Security calls ISIS the biggest threat to America's security.
Iran has sent troops into Iraq to fight ISIS alongside our allies, the Kurds.
Netanyahu wants to bomb Iran,...who is currently fighting the biggest threat to America's security.
Should Americans be in favor of Israel bombing an entity who is fighting against the biggest threat to America's security?
So, in order to prove what little point you have, you are not only quoting an Israeli newspaper that is quoting Iranian officals, but now you will quote Homeland Security, when it suits you?
Your premise is based on America's Chairman of Homeland Security calls ISIS the biggest threat to America's security. We all know he and Kerry are full of [bleep].
Seems like damn near everybody over there is fighting ISIS,.....except Israel.
Gee, ISIS is screwing around with every other Islamic country, in the name of Islam, and Israel isn't "fighting" them, and you find that odd.
Yet you indicate that's precisely the reason we should not fight Iran - which to the best of my knowledge, isn't even an issue for us, as opposed to us not giving them nuke ability.
And you wonder why people don't play your stupid games.
This is all Obama's fault ..If he would have left a Deterrent in Iraq none of this would be as big as it is.. ISIS would be under control.. If not at all.. Syria would have never happen at this Scale.. Iran would be eYeballing US Might.. If Iran continues with it's enriching program ..Satan will have his way... Had a guy tell me today that Obama will go down as our Greatest President .. There are 51 % of the people in this country who take this as Fact..
So let's sum up. America's Chairman of Homeland Security calls ISIS the biggest threat to America's security.
Iran has sent troops into Iraq to fight ISIS alongside our allies, the Kurds.
Netanyahu wants to bomb Iran,...who is currently fighting the biggest threat to America's security.
Should Americans be in favor of Israel bombing an entity who is fighting against the biggest threat to America's security?
So, in order to prove what little point you have, you are not only quoting an Israeli newspaper that is quoting Iranian officals, but now you will quote Homeland Security, when it suits you?
This is all Obama's fault ..If he would have left a Deterrent in Iraq none of this would be as big as it is.. ISIS would be under control.. If not at all.. Syria would have never happen at this Scale.. Iran would be eYeballing US Might.. If Iran continues with it's enriching program ..Satan will have his way... Had a guy tell me today that Obama will go down as our Greatest President .. There are 51 % of the people in this country who take this as Fact..
So let's sum up. America's Chairman of Homeland Security calls ISIS the biggest threat to America's security.
Iran has sent troops into Iraq to fight ISIS alongside our allies, the Kurds.
Netanyahu wants to bomb Iran,...who is currently fighting the biggest threat to America's security.
Should Americans be in favor of Israel bombing an entity who is fighting against the biggest threat to America's security?
So, in order to prove what little point you have, you are not only quoting an Israeli newspaper that is quoting Iranian officals, but now you will quote Homeland Security, when it suits you?
Yeah, and he did a good job of it, too.
Made you look pretty silly.
Nope.
DHS says that "right-wing extremists" and "lone wolf terrorists" are an equal or greater threat to the US than is ISIS.
So let's sum up. America's Chairman of Homeland Security calls ISIS the biggest threat to America's security.
Iran has sent troops into Iraq to fight ISIS alongside our allies, the Kurds.
Netanyahu wants to bomb Iran,...who is currently fighting the biggest threat to America's security.
Should Americans be in favor of Israel bombing an entity who is fighting against the biggest threat to America's security?
So, in order to prove what little point you have, you are not only quoting an Israeli newspaper that is quoting Iranian officals, but now you will quote Homeland Security, when it suits you?
Yeah, and he did a good job of it, too.
Made you look pretty silly.
Hardly.
Silly would be thinking that the guy that vehemently opposes anything to do with .gov, or Israel, can cherry pick anything they say, even to the point of fabrication or hilarity, and thinking that in anyway proves anything but desperation in bias.
JFC please tell me it is not true that this slapass is from MN? It is bad enough with some of the morons I had to deal with growing up and their liberal nonsense but this douchenozzle takes the cake. It is morons like this that cause the drinking rate in MN to be as high as it is although for the life of me I can't understand how he made it out of any bar in MN alive.
Yes but the many different stories circulating also illustrate how silly it is to think that anyone anywhere in DC or any nation's capital across the globe is working for the good of "the people".
This is all Obama's fault ..If he would have left a Deterrent in Iraq none of this would be as big as it is.. ISIS would be under control.. If not at all.. Syria would have never happen at this Scale..
ROTFLMAO!!!
You actually haven't figured out that ISIS was created totally because Bush destabilized Iraq by taking out Saddam Hussein???
JFC please tell me it is not true that this slapass is from MN? It is bad enough with some of the morons I had to deal with growing up and their liberal nonsense but this douchenozzle takes the cake. It is morons like this that cause the drinking rate in MN to be as high as it is although for the life of me I can't understand how he made it out of any bar in MN alive.
Just put em on ignore, they'll be gone soon enough if they don't get any attention...
This is all Obama's fault ..If he would have left a Deterrent in Iraq none of this would be as big as it is.. ISIS would be under control.. If not at all.. Syria would have never happen at this Scale..
ROTFLMAO!!!
You actually haven't figured out that ISIS was created totally because Bush destabilized Iraq by taking out Saddam Hussein???
Seriously? Where do you come up with this stuff?
....the democrat battle whine: "it's because of Bush!"...
That aside, if Israel does lay the smack down and leaves things in a mess, it would probably bolster support for ISIS...which could get even uglier. Doesn't matter what angle you look at it from, it ain't no pretty picture.
Iran probably has the where-with-all to assemble a bomb within a few weeks (they had this capability for several years, according to the Israelis and CIA). All they are doing now is manufacturing more enriched uranium and plutonium for more bombs. Other countries have nuclear weapons as well, including China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and, (surprise) Israel.
True, the US is negotiating with Iran to curtail or control its nuclear program, but we have little real influence over them. Sanctions have hurt, but they've successfully continued with their program. What else can we do, short of war?
I don't believe that the US and the rest of the world really want a war with Iran, it would be bloody, expensive and inconclusive (just as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been). Iran's nuclear facilities are deeply underground, buried deep into mountains (consider Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado - it is designed to withstand a nuclear attack).
So you make the best deal you can and continue monitoring the situation for 10 years or so and then reassess, as required. Not much else that can be done.
Iran probably has the where-with-all to assemble a bomb within a few weeks (they had this capability for several years, according to the Israelis and CIA). All they are doing now is manufacturing more enriched uranium and plutonium for more bombs. Other countries have nuclear weapons as well, including China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and, (surprise) Israel.
True, the US is negotiating with Iran to curtail or control its nuclear program, but we have little real influence over them. Sanctions have hurt, but they've successfully continued with their program. What else can we do, short of war?
I don't believe that the US and the rest of the world really want a war with Iran, it would be bloody, expensive and inconclusive (just as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been). Iran's nuclear facilities are deeply underground, buried deep into mountains (consider Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado - it is designed to withstand a nuclear attack).
So you make the best deal you can and continue monitoring the situation for 10 years or so and then reassess, as required. Not much else that can be done.
Iran probably has the where-with-all to assemble a bomb within a few weeks (they had this capability for several years, according to the Israelis and CIA). All they are doing now is manufacturing more enriched uranium and plutonium for more bombs. Other countries have nuclear weapons as well, including China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and, (surprise) Israel.
True, the US is negotiating with Iran to curtail or control its nuclear program, but we have little real influence over them. Sanctions have hurt, but they've successfully continued with their program. What else can we do, short of war?
I don't believe that the US and the rest of the world really want a war with Iran, it would be bloody, expensive and inconclusive (just as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been). Iran's nuclear facilities are deeply underground, buried deep into mountains (consider Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado - it is designed to withstand a nuclear attack).
So you make the best deal you can and continue monitoring the situation for 10 years or so and then reassess, as required. Not much else that can be done.
Bullschit.
In what way?
That other countries have nuclear weapons? That Israel has nuclear weapons? That the Iranian program is deeply buried? That such facilities (e.g., Cheyenne Mountain) can withstand nuclear attack? That the US is tired of war and the continuing loss of Americans? That international sanctions have hurt Iran, but they've adapted? That no one (including Israel, Europe, the US, Russia, etc.) has been able to control Iran's insatiable desire to have nuclear weapons? That any deal is better than no deal? That oil enbargos have hurt Iran, but have been ineffective?
What specifically is bull [bleep]? Or, are just spitting out your pie hole?
Anyone who believes that Iran could go from nothing to the ability to pose an offensive threat to either Israel *or* America is completely out to lunch,..so the obvious question is, Why does Israel have such a hard on for Iran?
For damn near 2 decades Israel has been harping at America to go to war against Iran. It's long since gotten past being ridiculous.
It's especially irritating considering the debt situation in America,..which Israel is completely aware of.
This country has done enough for Israel,...way too much, actually.
Iran probably has the where-with-all to assemble a bomb within a few weeks (they had this capability for several years, according to the Israelis and CIA). All they are doing now is manufacturing more enriched uranium and plutonium for more bombs. Other countries have nuclear weapons as well, including China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and, (surprise) Israel.
True, the US is negotiating with Iran to curtail or control its nuclear program, but we have little real influence over them. Sanctions have hurt, but they've successfully continued with their program. What else can we do, short of war?
I don't believe that the US and the rest of the world really want a war with Iran, it would be bloody, expensive and inconclusive (just as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been). Iran's nuclear facilities are deeply underground, buried deep into mountains (consider Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado - it is designed to withstand a nuclear attack).
So you make the best deal you can and continue monitoring the situation for 10 years or so and then reassess, as required. Not much else that can be done.
Bullschit.
In what way?
That other countries have nuclear weapons? That Israel has nuclear weapons? That the Iranian program is deeply buried? That such facilities (e.g., Cheyenne Mountain) can withstand nuclear attack? That the US is tired of war and the continuing loss of Americans? That international sanctions have hurt Iran, but they've adapted? That no one (including Israel, Europe, the US, Russia, etc.) has been able to control Iran's insatiable desire to have nuclear weapons? That any deal is better than no deal? That oil enbargos have hurt Iran, but have been ineffective?
What specifically is bull [bleep]? Or, are just spitting out your pie hole?
We have other ways of dealing with it, other than capitulation. The problem is with old f'ks like you that have done nothing but leech your entire lives off the taxes of others, without risking a thing. We haven't the balls as a nation any longer to deal with threats; instead, we kowtow to bureaucrats like you that snivel and cower and say there's no other way.
Let me ask you this, would you find it satisfactory to give unlimited nuclear capability to Iran today?
You your answer is no, then WTF would you be OK with it in ten years? If you trust Iran, then call for unregulated Iranian access to nuclear capabilities TODAY! If you don't trust Iran, then call on Obama to SHOW US his plan does no such thing...or do we have to wait until it passes to find out what's in it?
Anyone who believes that Iran could go from nothing to the ability to pose an offensive threat to either Israel *or* America is completely out to lunch,..so the obvious question is, Why does Israel have such a hard on for Iran?
For damn near 2 decades Israel has been harping at America to go to war against Iran. It's long since gotten past being ridiculous.
It's especially irritating considering the debt situation in America,..which Israel is completely aware of.
This country has done enough for Israel,...way too much, actually.
A bare bones nuclear offensive device fielded by Iran is a serious threat to Israel. A nation the size of a small New England state could be damaged to an unrecoverable level by a weapon that would not necessarily be a stunning blow to the United States. Any failure to recognize this is ignorance by choice.
That's just foolish thought not founded in fact. Iran is Israel's neighbor. A neighbor bent on murder. To give Iran almost unlimited ability to pursue nuclear offensive capability is to sigh a death warrant first for Israel then for the next Great Satanic Enemy of Islam.
Iran probably has the where-with-all to assemble a bomb within a few weeks (they had this capability for several years, according to the Israelis and CIA). All they are doing now is manufacturing more enriched uranium and plutonium for more bombs. Other countries have nuclear weapons as well, including China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and, (surprise) Israel.
True, the US is negotiating with Iran to curtail or control its nuclear program, but we have little real influence over them. Sanctions have hurt, but they've successfully continued with their program. What else can we do, short of war?
I don't believe that the US and the rest of the world really want a war with Iran, it would be bloody, expensive and inconclusive (just as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been). Iran's nuclear facilities are deeply underground, buried deep into mountains (consider Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado - it is designed to withstand a nuclear attack).
So you make the best deal you can and continue monitoring the situation for 10 years or so and then reassess, as required. Not much else that can be done.
Interesting thoughts.
But what gives America the right to forbid a sovereign nation from having nuclear power plants?
Or nuclear weapons for that matter? When did we get the nuclear permit franchise for the entire world?
Iran probably has the where-with-all to assemble a bomb within a few weeks (they had this capability for several years, according to the Israelis and CIA). All they are doing now is manufacturing more enriched uranium and plutonium for more bombs. Other countries have nuclear weapons as well, including China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and, (surprise) Israel.
True, the US is negotiating with Iran to curtail or control its nuclear program, but we have little real influence over them. Sanctions have hurt, but they've successfully continued with their program. What else can we do, short of war?
I don't believe that the US and the rest of the world really want a war with Iran, it would be bloody, expensive and inconclusive (just as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been). Iran's nuclear facilities are deeply underground, buried deep into mountains (consider Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado - it is designed to withstand a nuclear attack).
So you make the best deal you can and continue monitoring the situation for 10 years or so and then reassess, as required. Not much else that can be done.
Interesting thoughts.
But what gives America the right to forbid a sovereign nation from having nuclear power plants?
Or nuclear weapons for that matter? When did we get the nuclear permit franchise for the entire world?
Interesting questions.
Thus far, nuclear nations have exercised restraint (includes the US, Russia, China, France, Britain, India, Pakistan, Israel, South Africa and several former USSR states (SA and former USSR nations had them but gave them up). North Korea is a real issue with a nuclear-armed nut case in charge.
Iran is a bombastic nation led by pragmatic zealots; I believe they will threaten, but probably not use nukes unless really threatened. The Iranian leadership knows that massive fire power will rain down on them if they use such a weapon and whatever they are, they are pragmatic.
North Korea, led by the little idiot with the funny haircut, is another case; it has little to loose in any war (they have nothing anyway) and can inflict a lot of damage - the Supreme leader, Kim Jong-un can only gain respect (i.e., fear) by threatening nuclear warfare, and that is a real problem.
Israel has every defensive capability America has.
Iran will never be able to develop a technology that gets beyond it.
just because Israel is more technologically advanced then Iran, doesn't mean whatever technology Iran has wouldn't still be dangerous.
And be that as it may, I like the fact that the speech was simply not to allow Iran to achieve nuclear capability, via the current negotiations.
You've made it about going to war with Iran, just to promote your prejudice.
Thats a liberal tactic from day one.
Why are you so concerned about this country since you haven't really done anything but bitch about it? Won't be your kids going if there's a war. Won't really affect your ability to tune up and tune out, either. (I know, you're a patriot)
Like your loyal supporter gutshot, who is still trying to dress up his vote for Øbama as a "win" on principle.
Looks like you both are experiencing a hangover from your mistakes.
Israel should attack us because we have only given them $17,744.90 in entitlements since obama took office. Can you imagine any other government being able to operate on less then $20 grand worth of welfare payouts over 7 years?
Israel should attack us because we have only given them $17,744.90 in entitlements since obama took office. Can you imagine any other government being able to operate on less then $20 grand worth of welfare payouts over 7 years?
Ahhhh ... you need either better reading glasses or a better math teacher.
That number - $17,744.90 - is in millions of dollars (according to your listed website). So the real number that the Obama Administration has given Israel is $17,477,900,000.00 (plus or minus a million bucks or two).
And for all the money ($120,472,000,000 total) that the US has given to Israel since 1949, we've been: - Attacked by Israel with US servicemen killed and wounded (USS Liberty) - Rebuffed at all attempts to settle the Middle-East situation fairly - Had our weapons systems technology copied and sold in competition to US manufacturers (loss of US jobs)
How much more do you think we should take? Maybe we'd be better off if we wrote-off the $17,744.90 and asked for a refund on the rest.
That number - $17,744.90 - is in millions of dollars (according to your listed website). So the real number that the Obama Administration has given Israel is $17,477,900,000.00 (plus or minus a million bucks or two).
And for all the money ($120,472,000,000 total) that the US has given to Israel since 1949, we've been: - Attacked by Israel with US servicemen killed and wounded (USS Liberty) - Rebuffed at all attempts to settle the Middle-East situation fairly - Had our weapons systems technology copied and sold in competition to US manufacturers (loss of US jobs)
That set of facts happen to be anti-semitic and full of hate and you should be ashamed of yourself for citing them, Adolf .
There; I beat the pachyderm sack suckers here to the punch.
The Only Real Leader of the Free World just Spoke the Truth to our Congress.
Compare his words to some of the shear stupidity posted on these threads...
For those who believe that Iran threatens the Jewish state, but not the Jewish people, listen to Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, Iran’s chief terrorist proxy. He said: If all the Jews gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of chasing them down around the world.
But Iran’s regime is not merely a Jewish problem, any more than the Nazi regime was merely a Jewish problem. The 6 million Jews murdered by the Nazis were but a fraction of the 60 million people killed in World War II. So, too, Iran’s regime poses a grave threat, not only to Israel, but also the peace of the entire world. To understand just how dangerous Iran would be with nuclear weapons, we must fully understand the nature of the regime.
NETANYAHU: The people of Iran are very talented people. They’re heirs to one of the world’s great civilizations. But in 1979, they were hijacked by religious zealots — religious zealots who imposed on them immediately a dark and brutal dictatorship.
That year, the zealots drafted a constitution, a new one for Iran. It directed the revolutionary guards not only to protect Iran’s borders, but also to fulfill the ideological mission of jihad. The regime’s founder, Ayatollah Khomeini, exhorted his followers to “export the revolution throughout the world.”
But, what did he say that was new or unknown? Nothing new was said, nor did he offer any proposal (except to say "No"). In fact, he has never offered any proposal on Iran's nuclear program, except to wring his hands and basically leave the whole issue up to the US. As noted previously Iran, having learned form Israel's attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor, has buried its program in deep-mountain tunnels that are not vulnerable to attack (even with nukes).
Whatever is negotiated and agreed to (between the US and Iran) may not be an ideal situation, but it is better than no agreement at all. With no agreement, Iran will be free to pursue its nuclear ambitions unencumbered by ANY restrictions or oversight.
Yep and Iran just keeps playing this game over and over without really ever giving anything of substance at all.
Like North Korea, they use their nuke program to gain international attention every few years and we all ask how high when they say jump, even after locking out inspectors, etc.
Nobody has anything substantive to do about this. Say what you will, a ground war is simply not on the table and won't be anytime soon. The jacka$$ in chief really backed himself into a "red line" corner AGAIN by saying "no agreement is better than a bad one".
But, what did he say that was new or unknown? Nothing new was said, nor did he offer any proposal (except to say "No"). In fact, he has never offered any proposal on Iran's nuclear program, except to wring his hands and basically leave the whole issue up to the US. As noted previously Iran, having learned form Israel's attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor, has buried its program in deep-mountain tunnels that are not vulnerable to attack (even with nukes).
Whatever is negotiated and agreed to (between the US and Iran) may not be an ideal situation, but it is better than no agreement at all. With no agreement, Iran will be free to pursue its nuclear ambitions unencumbered by ANY restrictions or oversight.
Netanyahu proposals were very clear as to how to prevent Iran from going nuclear
Ladies and gentlemen, I’ve come here today to tell you we don’t have to bet the security of the world on the hope that Iran will change for the better. We don’t have to gamble with our future and with our children’s future. We can insist that restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program not be lifted for as long as Iran continues its aggression in the region and in the world.
NETANYAHU: Before lifting those restrictions, the world should demand that Iran do three things. First, stop its aggression against its neighbors in the Middle East. Second… Second, stop supporting terrorism around the world. And third, stop threatening to annihilate my country, Israel, the one and only Jewish state. Thank you.
If the world powers are not prepared to insist that Iran change its behavior before a deal is signed, at the very least they should insist that Iran change its behavior before a deal expires. If Iran changes its behavior, the restrictions would be lifted. If Iran doesn’t change its behavior, the restrictions should not be lifted. If Iran wants to be treated like a normal country, let it act like a normal country.
NETANYAHU: My friends, what about the argument that there’s no alternative to this deal, that Iran’s nuclear know-how cannot be erased, that its nuclear program is so advanced that the best we can do is delay the inevitable, which is essentially what the proposed deal seeks to do?
Well, nuclear know-how without nuclear infrastructure doesn’t get you very much. A racecar driver without a car can’t drive. A pilot without a plan can’t fly. Without thousands of centrifuges, tons of enriched uranium or heavy water facilities, Iran can’t make nuclear weapons.
Iran’s nuclear program can be rolled back well-beyond the current proposal by insisting on a better deal and keeping up the pressure on a very vulnerable regime, especially given the recent collapse in the price of oil.
Now, if Iran threatens to walk away from the table — and this often happens in a Persian bazaar — call their bluff. They’ll be back, because they need the deal a lot more than you do. And by maintaining the pressure on Iran and on those who do business with Iran, you have the power to make them need it even more.
Israel should attack us because we have only given them $17,744.90 in entitlements since obama took office. Can you imagine any other government being able to operate on less then $20 grand worth of welfare payouts over 7 years?
Ahhhh ... you need either better reading glasses or a better math teacher.
That number - $17,744.90 - is in millions of dollars (according to your listed website). So the real number that the Obama Administration has given Israel is $17,477,900,000.00 (plus or minus a million bucks or two).
And for all the money ($120,472,000,000 total) that the US has given to Israel since 1949, we've been: - Attacked by Israel with US servicemen killed and wounded (USS Liberty) - Rebuffed at all attempts to settle the Middle-East situation fairly - Had our weapons systems technology copied and sold in competition to US manufacturers (loss of US jobs)
How much more do you think we should take? Maybe we'd be better off if we wrote-off the $17,744.90 and asked for a refund on the rest.
Obama hates Israel and has stopped sending them entitlement money.
...Whatever is negotiated and agreed to (between the US and Iran) may not be an ideal situation, but it is better than no agreement at all...
You must work for .gov.
No, but I've dealt in international negotiations (both in the private and the government sectors) and such negotiations are not easy. Iran is an independent state that does not need to give into demands that (it believes) are not in its interest. They've withstood severe economic sanctions and are still standing; what else can we do?
I doubt the US or the rest of the world is willing to go to war with Iran; we are stretched, tired and broke from the past 14 years of war. How many more US servicemen are you willing to loose?
But, what did he say that was new or unknown? Nothing new was said, nor did he offer any proposal (except to say "No"). In fact, he has never offered any proposal on Iran's nuclear program, except to wring his hands and basically leave the whole issue up to the US. As noted previously Iran, having learned form Israel's attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor, has buried its program in deep-mountain tunnels that are not vulnerable to attack (even with nukes).
Whatever is negotiated and agreed to (between the US and Iran) may not be an ideal situation, but it is better than no agreement at all. With no agreement, Iran will be free to pursue its nuclear ambitions unencumbered by ANY restrictions or oversight.
Netanyahu proposals were very clear as to how to prevent Iran from going nuclear
Ladies and gentlemen, I’ve come here today to tell you we don’t have to bet the security of the world on the hope that Iran will change for the better. We don’t have to gamble with our future and with our children’s future. We can insist that restrictions on Iran’s nuclear program not be lifted for as long as Iran continues its aggression in the region and in the world.
NETANYAHU: Before lifting those restrictions, the world should demand that Iran do three things. First, stop its aggression against its neighbors in the Middle East. Second… Second, stop supporting terrorism around the world. And third, stop threatening to annihilate my country, Israel, the one and only Jewish state. Thank you.
If the world powers are not prepared to insist that Iran change its behavior before a deal is signed, at the very least they should insist that Iran change its behavior before a deal expires. If Iran changes its behavior, the restrictions would be lifted. If Iran doesn’t change its behavior, the restrictions should not be lifted. If Iran wants to be treated like a normal country, let it act like a normal country.
NETANYAHU: My friends, what about the argument that there’s no alternative to this deal, that Iran’s nuclear know-how cannot be erased, that its nuclear program is so advanced that the best we can do is delay the inevitable, which is essentially what the proposed deal seeks to do?
Well, nuclear know-how without nuclear infrastructure doesn’t get you very much. A racecar driver without a car can’t drive. A pilot without a plan can’t fly. Without thousands of centrifuges, tons of enriched uranium or heavy water facilities, Iran can’t make nuclear weapons.
Iran’s nuclear program can be rolled back well-beyond the current proposal by insisting on a better deal and keeping up the pressure on a very vulnerable regime, especially given the recent collapse in the price of oil.
Now, if Iran threatens to walk away from the table — and this often happens in a Persian bazaar — call their bluff. They’ll be back, because they need the deal a lot more than you do. And by maintaining the pressure on Iran and on those who do business with Iran, you have the power to make them need it even more.
"Iran’s nuclear program can be rolled back well-beyond the current proposal by insisting on a better deal and keeping up the pressure on a very vulnerable regime, especially given the recent collapse in the price of oil."
Yeaa, sure - it's just that easy!!!
I saw a pristine Winchester Model 21 12 gauge shotgun a few weeks ago and made an offer that was about 80% of the asking price. The gun shop refused to budge on price and negotiate; I guess I should have just demanded that they give in to my demands - just like Mr. Netanyahu says.
No, but I've dealt in international negotiations (both in the private and the government sectors) and such negotiations are not easy. Iran is an independent state that does not need to give into demands that (it believes) are not in its interest. They've withstood severe economic sanctions and are still standing; what else can we do?
There's always the Jimmy Carter maneuver...cross your arms and stomp your feet.
Sanctions were lifted by the dummycrats when the iranians gave em a twinky; then the iranians stuck the twinky in their dumb asses.
What else can we do?
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It was under a white flag democrat wasn't it. You would have been laughed out with this guy
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