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Originally Posted by jorgeI


BTW, I agree with Netanyahu


About what, exactly?


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Originally Posted by 4ager
That's because it ought to have BEEN done.

Iraq was the wrong one in the ME to deal with.

Hell, we should have pulverized Iran in the '70s with Peanut Jimmy was in office, but we didn't. We should have done it time and again when Reagan, Bush I, Klintoon, "W", and Hussein have been in office, but we didn't.

We're going to end up having to deal with them, but apparently Washington wants to wait until AFTER they get nukes in order to do so.


Well there you go.

Unless we go into a full on ground war with Iran, we are not going to stop them from becoming a nuclear state. That point passed 15 years ago.

As much as I dislike Iran, I can live with them being a nuclear power...I don't want to, but I may have to. But consider this, they are FAR more stable than North Korea and Pakistan, and I don't hear anyone talking about invading those two nations.

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Looks like Iran has aligned with the Kurds, also.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4957/iraq-kurdistan-iran

The U.S. may not want "boots on the ground" in Iraq, but Iran sure does. In Iraqi Kurdistan, Iran's military involvement in the Kurdish governorates of northern Iraq is multi-varied and on the increase.

Kurdish Rudaw T.V. has reported on Iran's support for Kurdistan's Peshmerga (military) campaign to regain villages lost to Islamic State [IS] jihadists this past summer. Rudaw T.V. even discussed the public visits of Iran's Major General Qasem Soleimani, commander of the Revolutionary Guard's Qods Force, to the Peshmerga front line against the IS


So,....Iran is fighting against the Islamic radicals in Iraq and supporting America's allies, the Kurds,..and Netanyahu wants to bomb them?

,..hmmmmm.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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Well,...it doesn't seem as if America going to war with Iran is a popular theme even anybody on this forum is going to rise and take the bait for my loaded, absurd question..

Fixed it for you.


There was absolutely nothing absurd or loaded about the question.

It was a straightforward question that you refused to answer in a straightforward fashion.

Obviously, Netanyahu has decided that the time for negotiations is over.

Either you agree with him or you don't.




The Only Real Leader of the Free World just Spoke the Truth to our Congress.

Obviously, Netanyahu said that this is the time for Real negotiations with some Real teeth in them.

I fully agree with that...in spades.


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SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."












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"Even if Israel has to stand alone, Israel will stand"....


Past time to cut the apron strings to a lot of countries.

70 years and 120 billion in total US aid to this one.


Epstein didn't kill himself.

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Wow the world really has gone downhill; the "only real leader of the (relatively?) free world" is a socialist.

And American (relatively) conservatives can't suck him fast or hard enough.

The world is insane.

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Originally Posted by 4ager
That's because it ought to have BEEN done.

Iraq was the wrong one in the ME to deal with.

Hell, we should have pulverized Iran in the '70s with Peanut Jimmy was in office, but we didn't. We should have done it time and again when Reagan, Bush I, Klintoon, "W", and Hussein have been in office, but we didn't.

We're going to end up having to deal with them, but apparently Washington wants to wait until AFTER they get nukes in order to do so.


Well there you go.

Unless we go into a full on ground war with Iran, we are not going to stop them from becoming a nuclear state. That point passed 15 years ago.

As much as I dislike Iran, I can live with them being a nuclear power...I don't want to, but I may have to. But consider this, they are FAR more stable than North Korea and Pakistan, and I don't hear anyone talking about invading those two nations.


Stability is not necessarily the issue. They are "stable", but they have stated time and again their goals to destroy "The Great Satan" (us).

When we end up with a nuke in one (or more) of our cities, the only blame will rest with the Chamberlain-esque and Wilson-esque apologists who didn't want to address the problem in it's early stages.

I understand people not wanting to have their sons or daughters die in a foreign land. They, however, are making a fool's bargain for temporary peace and false security.

The die has been cast. We will have to fight Iran, and we will have to do so in a real war (not this kid gloves schit we've been trying). The only questions are when and what capabilities will we allow them to have first.


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Originally Posted by 4ager
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That's because it ought to have BEEN done.

Iraq was the wrong one in the ME to deal with.

Hell, we should have pulverized Iran in the '70s with Peanut Jimmy was in office, but we didn't. We should have done it time and again when Reagan, Bush I, Klintoon, "W", and Hussein have been in office, but we didn't.

We're going to end up having to deal with them, but apparently Washington wants to wait until AFTER they get nukes in order to do so.


Well there you go.

Unless we go into a full on ground war with Iran, we are not going to stop them from becoming a nuclear state. That point passed 15 years ago.

As much as I dislike Iran, I can live with them being a nuclear power...I don't want to, but I may have to. But consider this, they are FAR more stable than North Korea and Pakistan, and I don't hear anyone talking about invading those two nations.


Stability is not necessarily the issue. They are "stable", but they have stated time and again their goals to destroy "The Great Satan" (us).

When we end up with a nuke in one (or more) of our cities, the only blame will rest with the Chamberlain-esque and Wilson-esque apologists who didn't want to address the problem in it's early stages.

I understand people not wanting to have their sons or daughters die in a foreign land. They, however, are making a fool's bargain for temporary peace and false security.

The die has been cast. We will have to fight Iran, and we will have to do so in a real war (not this kid gloves schit we've been trying). The only questions are when and what capabilities will we allow them to have first.



Well said 4ager.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
So,..are you in favor of America going to war with Iran?

Did you watch the entire Netanyehu speech.?

Whether you'll admit it or not, Iran is at war with us already, what do you need, a declaration signed by the Mullahs.? Iran simply does not have the military means to do us harm yet. Once Obama signs his Dream Peace accord, they will.

I guess they're just training for [bleep] and giggles...


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This:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...atest-threat-weve-seen-911-ryan-lovelace

So let's sum up. America's Chairman of Homeland Security calls ISIS the biggest threat to America's security.

Iran has sent troops into Iraq to fight ISIS alongside our allies, the Kurds.

Netanyahu wants to bomb Iran,...who is currently fighting the biggest threat to America's security.

Should Americans be in favor of Israel bombing an entity who is fighting against the biggest threat to America's security?


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
This:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...atest-threat-weve-seen-911-ryan-lovelace

So let's sum up. America's Chairman of Homeland Security calls ISIS the biggest threat to America's security.

Iran has sent troops into Iraq to fight ISIS alongside our allies, the Kurds.

Netanyahu wants to bomb Iran,...who is currently fighting the biggest threat to America's security.

Should Americans be in favor of Israel bombing an entity who is fighting against the biggest threat to America's security?



So, in order to prove what little point you have, you are not only quoting an Israeli newspaper that is quoting Iranian officals, but now you will quote Homeland Security, when it suits you?

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So what's your opinion on the matter?

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You logic is specious.

Your premise is based on America's Chairman of Homeland Security calls ISIS the biggest threat to America's security. We all know he and Kerry are full of [bleep].


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And here's something that's pretty strange. Israel's blood enemy, Hezbollah, is at odds with ISIS also!

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2014/08/31/hezbollahs-war-against-isis/


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Seems like damn near everybody over there is fighting ISIS,.....except Israel.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
So what's your opinion on the matter?


On what matter? I'm having trouble determining what exactly the matter is, that isn't backed in superfluous bullshit.

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Originally Posted by RWE
Originally Posted by Bristoe
So what's your opinion on the matter?


I'm having trouble determining what exactly the matter is,


I've noticed.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Seems like damn near everybody over there is fighting ISIS,.....except Israel.


Gee, ISIS is screwing around with every other Islamic country, in the name of Islam, and Israel isn't "fighting" them, and you find that odd.

Yet you indicate that's precisely the reason we should not fight Iran - which to the best of my knowledge, isn't even an issue for us, as opposed to us not giving them nuke ability.

And you wonder why people don't play your stupid games.

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Originally Posted by RWE


Gee, ISIS is screwing around with every other Islamic country, in the name of Islam, and Israel isn't "fighting" them, and you find that odd.


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right, because some Iranian guy said that Mossad created them.


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