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Robert Gradous told me he ain't NEVER seen a Shilen that wouldn't shoot......had me thinking about that for my 7STW and 243 build, but I went on ahead and bought the Krieger's!

I use Bartlein, Kreiger, and 1 Rock barrel along with my Shilen in my competition rifles. I honestly can't tell any difference in the way most of the brands shoot in my hunting rifles. I just received a Douglas as they would make a lighter barrel that would be the length that I wanted in my lightweight 280AI build. They do not lap their barrels.
For a hunting rifle I use either a Shilen CM or their regular match grade SS barrels.

I've only owned one Krieger, but it was a shooter! I'm probably going to go with another Krieger on my next build. Their new website makes ordering a new barrel almost too easy.

My last few rifles have been 5r cut barrels. I'm over that fad. I'm back to lilja and pac nor 3 grooves. they shoot just as good and are easier to clean IMHO.

As either or both,Kreiger-Bartlein, say,"We make 5R barrels because out customers ask for them. We can't see that they are any better". Similar to Shilens 4 groove ratchet barrels. I think that when you get a good barrel, you just get a good barrel.

THIS

Kreiger, Brux, Hart, Lilja & Shilen.

"For hunting guns, probably not enough difference to worry about."

All of my custom barrels are consistent 1/4 MOA.

Damn...

I hear about a lot of "half inch" rifles at the range, but I don't see too many. The last time I saw a rifle that would shoot five, five shot groups averaging 1/4 MOA was when a BR shooter I knew showed up with a 6PPC competition rifle.

Actually the PPC would do better, but you get the drift.

I'll say DAMN! I've shot BR for about 30years and I have never seen a 1/4 moa hunting rifle. Heard of a few, but something happened when it was time to show it. Maybe a very occasional 3 shot 1/4", but not what I would call a 1/4" rifle. I've shot a .092 5 shot group in BR, but it sure ain't a .100 rifle.

I wonder how many local BR matches A guy could be in the top 10 with a .250 Agg?

Most of them.

Ok, I reckon they're not 1/4 MOA by BR standards. That's a much different grading curve. I work with the loads until they remain consistently under 1/2". I don't shoot .250 every range trip. But, the guns are capable when I am.

I don't see how you could hold a hunting rifle to a BR standard. A .250 - .500 is not hard to maintain with good equipment. I do not want to misrepresent.

To be explicit: A hunting rifle, and five, five shot groups, with an average under 1/2 MOA?

Oh no. Haven't done that. If that's the true formula for a confirmed aggregate, I am deficient. I never shoot more than three shot groups. So, I guess I don't measure up to the true 1/4 MOA standard.

Didn't realize there was a standard for group measurement claims beside a dial caliper.

Then they are not consistent 1/4MOA

How do you know when you loaded a bad round or if it was you?

When you say "a half inch rifle" you have to measure that against some standard of consistency. All of my hunting rifles have at one time or another posted a half inch, three shot group at 100 yards. But when I say half inch rifles regarding my collection then I'm talking about my heavy 223 and 308's.

Re: bbls, both top notch.

Both will shoot far better if smithed well, than most can hold

I am glad that this has become a discussion. I just saw a gun company that guarantees 1/3 MOA with premium factory ammo. Whatever.....

Agreed. I will proof test my loads using the new formula.