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Nothin like a cartridge conversation to liven things up and cause pictures of women to sprout like mushrooms. 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I will agree the government adoption of the 223 Rem is a large part of its popularity. But, it is wildly popular and is likely the 2nd most popular round fired from a rifle.
If the 223 wasn't the adopted round for the AR-15, would the 222 rem or Rem Mag match this popularity? Hypothetically of course.
If the 30-06 wasn't adopted, would the 30/40 Krag still be the kind of the woods? Would we have a 270 Krag, 280 Krag, etc? Or maybe the 303 Brit would be the popular one...? Just wondering how things would have worked out had it all been different!
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Lots of posts here.....either an attempt at comedy, or very ignorant. Not sure which one, really.
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Tom,
Thanks! That's far more interesting than all the other posts so far.
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Yeah but you still slum a .270
Thats like being married to Heidi Klum and sneaking around behind her back with Rosie Odonnell..... No can do Rosie,she like girls. 
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Tom,
Thanks! That's far more interesting than all the other posts so far. You got that right! 
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Trying to help John... Don't know if it helped MD, but I sure enjoyed it.
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I cant believe the Poobah was dissing on my 7mm Rem Mag. I am going to file a hurt feelings report..
I've always been different with one foot over the line.....
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Hear! Hear! On the other hand, did anyone click on the link at the bottom of the article? Not much to disagree with there in my opinion. http://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2015/2/9/top-5-underrated-rifle-cartridges/I could use a 30-40 Krag and 218 Bee
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The 270 WSM is lucky to get 100fps on the regular old .270, which is what makes the 7Mag a joke also, as it won't even get that over a .280
From the Nosler manual: (Not that I need it having owned multiples of both). Top velocities: 280-150 from 26" Barrel: 2995,2990,2982,2966. 7 Rem Mag-150 from 24" barrel ( hardly even-steven but whatever): 3248,3240,3162,3128. WE could talk 140's: 280-140 26" barrel 3152,3070,3056,3002. 7 Rem Mag-140 24" barrel: 3340,3318,3282,3263 280-175 from 26" Barrel: 2760 7 Rem Mag-175 from 24" barrel: 2970 I bogged down in math awhile ago,but sure looks like more than 100 fps to me.And all through this we are spotting the 280 2" of barrel. In real life after 15-20 7 Rem Mags and maybe 6-7 280's (who knows?),and to simplify, the real world difference is the 7 Rem mag will do with a 160 what a 280 will do with a 140 day in and day out, rifle to rifle, and as near as we can guess at home pressure wise,which is somewhere between 3050-3100 fps....and it takes a good shot in the arm to get that velocity with a 280. You better be stomping on it Most popular belted magnum....ever. Top 10 in reloading dies and factory ammo just about every year, far as I know.Used internationally, and the poor old 280 has taken a seat way at the back of the bus since 1962,despite its obvious virtues.Great cartridge. Gotta think on this a bit and wonder..... what open country North American BG animal can't be taken with a 7 Rem Mag as far as we can hit properly (made easier by moderate recoil and bullets designed to the task). Be right back...... I can't think of any.  Overrated? I don't think so.  I'll bow to your experience, as I've only had 1 7mag and the two 280's I still have. Loaded to like pressures, unless you go with the heaviest common bullets for the chambering, the difference to 400 yards is virtually nill. The advantages of the 7mag have been somewhat expanded recently, in that we have super high BC hunting bullets in heavier weights, which is where the 7mag will shine against the .280. With the newer bullets, and relatively new super slow powders, the advantages are bigger than ever...and they are still not all that great. I started playing with bottleneck centerfires in a Contender, about 25 years ago, so I understand the minutiae, squared. 7 TCU vs 7-30 Waters vs the 7mm BR in a XP...talk about splitting hairs over slight differences. lol
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Please explain how you arrived at "like pressures."
Also, please post a picture of a woman with minimal clothes.
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Also, please post a picture of a woman with minimal clothes.
Now we're getting somewhere. ![[Linked Image]](http://i.imgur.com/lQExtvC.jpg)
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How about some hot redheads ? 
Last edited by chlinstructor; 03/24/15.
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Now this thread is finally on track. I keep telling you people to listen to JB.
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Trying to help John... Oooh! Boattail. Nice ballistic coefficient. What's the runout, Ingwe?
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I like the way this thread is progressing. WTF cares about a 7mm Mag vs. a 7x57. They will both kill things. donsm70
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I knew when he listed the 300 Weatherby instead of the 30-378 Weatherby as his top overrated pick that the article was a joke.
My top 5 would be.
1.30-378 Weatherby
2.30-378 Weatherby
3.30-378 Weatherby
4.30-378 Weatherby
5. Anything with a Lazzeroni headstamp Agreed....
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This is mainly why I stopped reading magazine articles 25 years ago and bought guns in diffrent cal and formed my own opinions..
I have actually never found a bad carterage.. They all fill a nitch. Some better than others. A few I just didn't like for what I thought they would be good for.
The 17 Fireball comes to mind.
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