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6,5x55. 500.000+ target shooters in Scandinavia cant be wrong.  Cheap 6,5x55 Lapua brass. Feeds very well in Mauser actions ( I am thinking of making one myself! )
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I think you need 2 rifles a 500 and less and a 500 and more!  You can quote me on it to the wifey ! A 6.5 Creedmoor for short range and a .26 Nos for long range. Mike
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It really doesn't matter what you thought was expensive or what I think is expensive. Bob asked the question, I gave an answer. It's just one factor out of many for the OP to consider in making his choice. Very true. You think Bob is being drawn to the 6.5 camp...?? DF
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Yep, it's been going on for some time now. I didn't want to be the first to say anything......
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I think you need 2 rifles a 500 and less and a 500 and more! Best answer yet!
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Yep, it's been going on for some time now. I didn't want to be the first to say anything...... Yeah, looks like he's sniffing around, asking some good questions... DF
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There's zero practical difference between the powder capacity of .270 and .280 cases, in fact it's so small a difference in the weight of brass can cause some overlap. Also, one of his requirements is fairly easy to get brass.
My vote would be for the 6.5/.270, whether standard or AI. There's no ballistic difference between it and the 6.5-06 or 6.5/.280, but the neck's the longest of any, reducing throat erosion. And you can just run .270 brass into the sizer and not have to trim off a bunch, as you do with the 6.5/06. Have to agree on that, the 6.5x64 Brenneke chambering will simplify things ( aka 6.5-.270 ) 6.5-.280 AI is also available from Nosler without major forming issues other than necking down. all good fun - I'm looking at re-chambering a .260 out to the 6.5-280AI hence my narrow focus on the AI. Also I have buckets of .280 brass, and no .270 ;-)
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Yeah, when I had a 6.5-06 built I had buckets of .270 brass! That's definitely a factor....
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It really doesn't matter what you thought was expensive or what I think is expensive. Bob asked the question, I gave an answer. It's just one factor out of many for the OP to consider in making his choice. Very true. You think Bob is being drawn to the 6.5 camp...?? DF I have been nosing around a bit.  I had a hard time hanging on to 3 264's, not because I did not like them but felt I was pretty well covered with 7mm mags in that category. I am going on what I read here but if I were to leap into a 6.5 I would get a 6.5 Creedmoor. I am told the Hornady factory ammo is hard to beat and that's one factor.My match shooting friends say that's how to roll in a short action cartridge. Another shoots a 6.5/284,which is why I asked about it. He says it has "eyes" at 1000. His is a Barnard (sp?) action. He says the only drawback is that it eats barrels but my application would be in a hunting rifle so not sure that's a huge factor.
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6,5x55. 500.000+ target shooters in Scandinavia cant be wrong. Cheap 6,5x55 Lapua brass. Feeds very well in Mauser actions ( I am thinking of making one myself! ) I'd do a 'Swede in a heartbeat, on a long action. In my mind it's a well balanced chambering, long neck, plenty of oal latitude, and good barrel life.
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It really doesn't matter what you thought was expensive or what I think is expensive. Bob asked the question, I gave an answer. It's just one factor out of many for the OP to consider in making his choice. Very true. You think Bob is being drawn to the 6.5 camp...?? DF I have been nosing around a bit. I had a hard time hanging on to 3 264's, not because I did not like them but felt I was pretty well covered with 7mm mags in that category. I am going on what I read here but if I were to leap into a 6.5 I would get a 6.5 Creedmoor. I am told the Hornady factory ammo is hard to beat and that's one factor.My match shooting friends say that's how to roll in a short action cartridge. Another shoots a 6.5/284,which is why I asked about it. He says it has "eyes" at 1000. His is a Barnard (sp?) action. He says the only drawback is that it eats barrels but my application would be in a hunting rifle so not sure that's a huge factor. Tough to out perform a 7mm Mashburn w/ 160's and 175's the 6.5 Creedmoor is about as sweet as it gets in a 2.8" mag SA With a little longer mag the .260 or .260AI appeal ! the 6.5/.284 has established itself : short neck notwithstanding it is the standard. The 6.5 SAUM/GAP is the coming thing ! The 26 Nos - Wow just my take on things ...
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Easy choice for me....6.5 SAUM.
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It really doesn't matter what you thought was expensive or what I think is expensive. Bob asked the question, I gave an answer. It's just one factor out of many for the OP to consider in making his choice. Very true. You think Bob is being drawn to the 6.5 camp...?? DF I have been nosing around a bit. I had a hard time hanging on to 3 264's, not because I did not like them but felt I was pretty well covered with 7mm mags in that category. I am going on what I read here but if I were to leap into a 6.5 I would get a 6.5 Creedmoor. I am told the Hornady factory ammo is hard to beat and that's one factor.My match shooting friends say that's how to roll in a short action cartridge. Another shoots a 6.5/284,which is why I asked about it. He says it has "eyes" at 1000. His is a Barnard (sp?) action. He says the only drawback is that it eats barrels but my application would be in a hunting rifle so not sure that's a huge factor. Tough to out perform a 7mm Mashburn w/ 160's and 175's the 6.5 Creedmoor is about as sweet as it gets in a 2.8" mag SA With a little longer mag the .260 or .260AI appeal ! the 6.5/.284 has established itself : short neck notwithstanding it is the standard. The 6.5 SAUM/GAP is the coming thing ! The 26 Nos - Wow just my take on things ... Yep. Sounds like Bob is coming around...  The 26 Nos is a hoot, for sure. I've had loads of fun working with a couple of them. The 6.5 SAUM looks really good. I'm sure it will have better barrel life than the 26 Nos and for Pat's use, I can see how he'd be all over it. I don't shoot nearly that much and once I get loads worked up, probably won't fire it more than 20-30 times a year. My hunting bud with the other 26 Nos, will use his about the same. So, for old coots like us, our barrels should last a lifetime... DF
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DF, what speeds are you getting with 140gr class bullets with your 26N?
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6.5x284 that's all that needs said
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DF, what speeds are you getting with 140gr class bullets with your 26N? 3,300 without pushing it. Probably better than that with "Fire" pressure... It's a big ole case and even when Nosler denotes compressed load, it's not a compressed load. Brass is expensive but outstanding quality, like match brass. Very uniform necks, etc. You about gotta go with US-869 or WC-872 powders and I use WLRM primers. With those powders, accuracy comes easy, like 1/2 MOA with several combos. It seems real forgiving in that regard, not finicky. 120 E-Tips run around 3,450 fps and are deadly killers on hogs and WT's, in fact it's hard to tell a difference in terminal performance between them and 140 NPT's/140 NAB's at 3,300. Double Tap factory ammo runs 127 LRX's at 3,600 fps. With 91 gr. 869, a Fire contributor clocked 3,575 fps and reported 3/8" groups. His 3,600+ loads weren't quite that accurte. I have a batch loaded, ready to go. Will report. DF
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You need to try some 140 JLK's.
Have you tried H1000, or Retumbo?
I've Had my comp 6.5 SAUM one week, and have put 465 rounds through it already....hope I have some barrel left for my shoot next month..grin!
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You need to try some 140 JLK's.
Have you tried H1000, or Retumbo?
I've Had my comp 6.5 SAUM one week, and have put 465 rounds through it already....hope I have some barrel left for my shoot next month..grin! Wow, you'd be about 40% or more into the life of a 26 Nos tube...  You gotta remember, I'm a hunter not a LR steel clanger. I don't know what kinda terminal perfromance I'd see with JLK's. I do have some left over from my 6.5-284 project and may load a batch. My Fire bud, who's also working with the 26, was pleased with 136L Scenar, getting great groups and good performance on hogs. Then he tried the 127 LRX. That bullet seems to run faster than about any and has fairly decent B.C.'s for it's type. He's about decided that at hypervelocity, he has more confidence in mono-metals. From everything I've read and seen, 869 is THE 26 Nos powder, with 872 pretty close. 872 is reportedly slower, but I can't tell much difference. To me they're just about interchangeable. One would think Retumbo, RL-50, etc. would work. They do, just not as well. DF
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DF,
Did your buddy shoot anything other than hogs with the Scenar 136L? Interested in its applicability for deer and antelope and/or anything bigger.
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IIRC, hogs were his main laboratory test animals... He liked their performance and accuracy. DF
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