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The other thread on Fighter aircraft got me wondering what the longest serving military aircraft of the US is? Including all potential operators ie USAF, USN, CIA NASA ect..

The B-52 springs to mind, but I think the U2 and the WB-57's are older..The C-130 must be around the same age?

Anybody know any older aircraft still in service?



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U 2 maybe? First flew in 1955


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Originally Posted by Mannlicher
U 2 maybe? First flew in 1955


Just checking the dates, and the B-57 pre dates the U-2...In fact the U-2 was designed to replace the recce version of the B-57....

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If it isn't already, the B52 will be the longest serving aircraft. I think the B-52 is slotted for service all the way to 2040.

The C47 had a long lifespan, they decommissioned the last one in 1980. But the B-52 has that beat.

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YB-52 (B-52 prototype) first flew in 1952.

The U-2 first flew in 1955 and is still serving.

The B-57 entered USAF service in 1953; it was a version of the English Electric Camberra bomber which first flew in 1949. The B-57 was manufactured by Martin Aircraft. It's been retired for several years.

the B-52 is still serving and therefo4re is the longest serving AF plane.

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While I don't think that there are still any in US service, the longest serving military aircraft is undoubtedly the C-47 with probably dozens, if not hundreds of them still soldiering around the world in various militaries...not to mention hundreds of private owners as well.

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If by serving, you mean on active duty with one of the uniformed services, without question, it's the B-52. There are many airplanes out there that although older and still flying, did not serve anywhere near as long in the Armed Forces as the 52.


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Originally Posted by djs
YB-52 (B-52 prototype) first flew in 1952.

The U-2 first flew in 1955 and is still serving.

The B-57 entered USAF service in 1953; it was a version of the English Electric Camberra bomber which first flew in 1949. The B-57 was manufactured by Martin Aircraft. It's been retired for several years.

the B-52 is still serving and therefo4re is the longest serving AF plane.


The US Government (NASA or the CIA) still operate three WB-57's that fly high altitude missions over Afghanistan ..

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What about trainers and other light aircraft? Any of them still in service from the 1950's?

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Originally Posted by GunGeek
If it isn't already, the B52 will be the longest serving aircraft. I think the B-52 is slotted for service all the way to 2040.

The C47 had a long lifespan, they decommissioned the last one in 1980. But the B-52 has that beat.


About 25 years ago, Boeing, P&W and, United Airlines approached the USAF to re-engine the B-52 with the same engines used on the Boeing 757 (Pratt & Whitney PW2037); 4 engines to replace 8.

Boeing would do the design and conversion, P&W would furnish the engines and United AL would perform engine maintenance - it was a win-win for all. The AF would get a more fuel-efficient airplane with greater range and lower maintenance costs. The 3 proposers would get the work!

Unfortunately, the AF rejected this proposal fearing that it would jeopardize the development of the new strategic bomber (B-2). Realizing that the B-52 is the greatest bomb "dump-truck" ever, the AF is now reconsidering the re-engine program.

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The T-38 first flew in the 1950s.

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Originally Posted by Pete E
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YB-52 (B-52 prototype) first flew in 1952.

The U-2 first flew in 1955 and is still serving.

The B-57 entered USAF service in 1953; it was a version of the English Electric Camberra bomber which first flew in 1949. The B-57 was manufactured by Martin Aircraft. It's been retired for several years.

the B-52 is still serving and therefo4re is the longest serving AF plane.


The US Government (NASA or the CIA) still operate three WB-57's that fly high altitude missions over Afghanistan ..


Pete, I view the WB-57 as a different plane than the B-57.
True, it has a (greatly modified- B-57 fuselage, but the wings, engines (4 in place of 2),carry-through structure, wtc. are all different. Here's NASA's site on the WB-57: http://jsc-aircraft-ops.jsc.nasa.gov/wb57/

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C-130 entered service in 1954 and I believe it is still in use today.

From Wikipedia:

"The C-130 entered service with U.S. in the 1950s, followed by Australia and others. During its years of service, the Hercules family has participated in numerous military, civilian and humanitarian aid operations. The family has the longest continuous production run of any military aircraft in history. In 2007, the C-130 became the fifth aircraft—after the English Electric Canberra, Boeing B-52 Stratofortress, Tupolev Tu-95, and Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker, all designs with various forms of aviation gas turbine powerplants—to mark 50 years of continuous use with its original primary customer, in this case, the United States Air Force. The C-130 is one of the few military aircraft to remain in continuous production for over 50 years with its original customer, as the updated C-130J Super Hercules."

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I wonder if the engineers who designed and built these old workhorses ever guessed they would still be in service 50-60 years later?

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C-130.


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When everyone on this board is dead and gone, the C-47 and the C-130 will still be serving in militaries around the world. Both are over engineered compared to modern computerized designs and their relatively low performance envelopes put little strain on the airframes. They can simply be re-engined over and over and no one has designed anything that works better yet.

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Originally Posted by Pete E
I wonder if the engineers who designed and built these old workhorses ever guessed they would still be in service 50-60 years later?


I'll bet a case of good Scotch that they never considered the possibility of longevity. In the late 1940's and 1950's, planes seemed to have a useful front-line-use of about 15-20 years (witness the F-84, F-86, F-80 (although the T-33 version lasted longer), F-94 and, B-47. With greater engine power, larger airframes, smaller electronics and, a move toward multi-role, longevity has greatly increased.

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In lots of ways, the performance of aircraft in the late 1950s wasn't all that inferior to those of today. Most of the advancement has been in avionics and weapons systems as opposed to outright raw performance.

I would imagine that given that in the space of about twenty years, the state of the art for a fighter aircraft went from 350 mph at 25,000 feet with three or four .30 caliber machine guns to Mach 2, 60,000 ft. ceiling, and missiles firing BVR, that designers of that era would be flabbergasted that current fighters are not closer to something from Buck Rogers than the things they designed back then.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
In lots of ways, the performance of aircraft in the late 1950s wasn't all that inferior to those of today. Most of the advancement has been in avionics and weapons systems as opposed to outright raw performance.

I would imagine that given that in the space of about twenty years, the state of the art for a fighter aircraft went from 350 mph at 25,000 feet with three or four .30 caliber machine guns to Mach 2, 60,000 ft. ceiling, and missiles firing BFR, that designers of that era would be flabbergasted that current fighters are not closer to something from Buck Rogers than the things they designed back then.
It all depends on what you call "performance". If it's fast and squirrly, then yeah, you're right. But advancements have been in speed with low level stability, lower radar cross section, MUCH longer range, all weather, overall lifespan of the airframe, ease in maintenance, and ability to fly all day long, rotating out pilots. Those are some of the "performance" upgrades we have made.

But it's true that a F-15 isn't going to go a whole lot faster than an F-104. Service ceiling, rate of climb, and top speed are probably all pretty darned close. (I'm sure the F-15 is ahead in every category, but I doubt there are any huge differences).


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