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but recall the British Empire fell under the weight of its own morality, its subject peoples voting themselves free.
hmmmm,... So all it took for America to split from England was a vote? Yes, it required a vote of the English Parliament.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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JoeBob, It appears that, had the south won the war, you envision a CSA today where everyone has a great job, everyone is happy, and all is well.
Keep in mind that Texas gave us L.B. Johnson, Arkansas gave us the Clintons, Georgia gave us Carter and Tennessee gave us Gore. We dastardly Yankees, none of us having played a role in the Civil War, did not bring those politicians to prominence. You did. You are to blame for what those scum have inflicted on the rest of us.
It would appear that, given your propensity to elect the above, the status of the CSA today would be about what you see around you now. And it would have been your fault, because of the people you elect. Ironic, isn't it?
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JoeBob, It appears that, had the south won the war, you envision a CSA today where everyone has a great job, everyone is happy, and all is well.
Keep in mind that Texas gave us L.B. Johnson, Arkansas gave us the Clintons, Georgia gave us Carter and Tennessee gave us Gore. We dastardly Yankees, none of us having played a role in the Civil War, did not bring those politicians to prominence. You did. You are to blame for what those scum have inflicted on the rest of us.
It would appear that, given your propensity to elect the above, the status of the CSA today would be about what you see around you now. And it would have been your fault, because of the people you elect. Ironic, isn't it? I don't imagine perfection. I imagine a more limited government where said schitbirds can do less damage. I know that is an incomprehensible idea for Yankees suckled on the teat of empire and Lincoln worship. But most of all, I imagine a place where I give not a frick about what someone from Michigan might think about the matter because he nothing but an inconsequential foreigner.
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It would appear that, given your propensity to elect the above, the status of the CSA today would be about what you see around you now. And it would have been your fault, because of the people you elect. Ironic, isn't it? You are overlooking re-construction and its long term effects on people of the South, and their determination to not vote Republican, no matter what Democrat was running. Even now all local elections are all Democrat, no Republican running. miles
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JoeBob, I think what you fail to comprehend is that, given the people you elect, what would have happened can likely be seen by simply looking around you. In simpler language, what you imagine probably wouldn't have happened, due to the people you voted for. Inconsequential foreigners from Michigan didn't give us Johnson, Clinton, Carter and Gore. You did. If you think those people, elected by you, would have been satisfied with a "more limited government", then you are fooling yourself. Ironic isn't it?
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Miles, do you really think that is still the result of reconstruction? How many voters, under 40 or so, anywhere in the country, are even aware of reconstruction?
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I think what you fail to comprehend is that, given the people you elect, what would have happened can likely be seen by simply looking around you. In simpler language, what you imagine probably wouldn't have happened, due to the people you voted for. Inconsequential foreigners from Michigan didn't give us Johnson, Clinton, Carter and Gore. You did. If you think those people, elected by you, would have been satisfied with a "more limited government", then you are fooling yourself. Ironic isn't it? Michigan supported Johnson, Clinton(twice), and Gore. Ford(aka Leslie Lynch King Jr.)beat Carter in Michigan by less than 200K votes while claiming MI as his home state.
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JoeBob, I think what you fail to comprehend is that, given the people you elect, what would have happened can likely be seen by simply looking around you. In simpler language, what you imagine probably wouldn't have happened, due to the people you voted for. Inconsequential foreigners from Michigan didn't give us Johnson, Clinton, Carter and Gore. You did. If you think those people, elected by you, would have been satisfied with a "more limited government", then you are fooling yourself. Ironic isn't it? Geez, you Yankees are dumb. Schitbirds happen everywhere. The WHOLE POINT of the original government was to limit the damage said schitbirds could do. Lincoln took the opportunity of secession to destroy the framework of that original government to set up a system where the schitbirds could triumph and rule. Such things were necessary in order to plunder the public coffers for the benefit of the railroads and the like after the Civil War. Lincoln was a railroad lawyer after all.
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Sherp, I understand that. My point is that those politicians were brought to national prominence by the people in the south, not the north.
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Sherp, I understand that. My point is that those politicians were brought to national prominence by the people in the south, not the north. Your argument makes as much as sense as arguing that if there were no professional football, then it would have undoubtedly developed because men like Jerry Rice, Sammy Baugh, and Troy Aikman were born in the South.
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Yep, JoeBob, I'm dumb, but you voted for those southern schitbirds, not me. If you hadn't voted them into a position to run nationally, they couldn't have gotten there. You voted for people who would have done, to the CSA, just what you are pissed at Lincoln for doing; destroying the framework of the original intention of state's rights.
Geez, some of you southern fellows are dumb. Have you figured out the irony of your votes yet?
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Apparently those candidates were attractive to Michigan voters such as yourself.
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I'd be a drinkin wid ya rather than agin ya, JoeBob..
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From the link.... Whatever other reasons some of the Southern states might have given for secession is irrelevant to the question of why there was a war. Secession does not necessitate war. Lincoln promised war over tax collection in his first inaugural address. When the Southern states refused to pay his beloved Morrill Tariff at the Southern ports, he kept his promise of “invasion and bloodshed” and waged war on the Southern states. No gangster in the history of the world has ever enforced an extortion racket on such a gargantuan scale of death, plunder, and destruction. Oh I get it.... ...all of them 600,000 Union soldiers were lying when they said they were fighting "to preserve the Union", likewise the stated reasons for secession as voiced by the Southerners themselves were, as the author plainly states, meaningless. Heck the war woulda happened anyway even without secession. Flat amazing how Lincoln could pull this off this all by hisself.....
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From the link.... Whatever other reasons some of the Southern states might have given for secession is irrelevant to the question of why there was a war. Secession does not necessitate war. Lincoln promised war over tax collection in his first inaugural address. When the Southern states refused to pay his beloved Morrill Tariff at the Southern ports, he kept his promise of “invasion and bloodshed” and waged war on the Southern states. No gangster in the history of the world has ever enforced an extortion racket on such a gargantuan scale of death, plunder, and destruction. Oh I get it.... ...all of them 600,000 Union soldiers were lying when they said they were fighting "to preserve the Union", likewise the stated reasons for secession as voiced by the Southerners themselves were, as the author plainly states, meaningless. Heck the war woulda happened anyway even without secession. Flat amazing how Lincoln could pull this off this all by hisself..... Yes, it was wrong for the southern states to say they had had enough and wanted out. It is always wrong for the subordinate to cry foul and try to get out. sic semper ad subditos http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/utah-killed-family-raped-wife-police-article-1.1858425
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From the link.... Whatever other reasons some of the Southern states might have given for secession is irrelevant to the question of why there was a war. Secession does not necessitate war. Lincoln promised war over tax collection in his first inaugural address. When the Southern states refused to pay his beloved Morrill Tariff at the Southern ports, he kept his promise of “invasion and bloodshed” and waged war on the Southern states. No gangster in the history of the world has ever enforced an extortion racket on such a gargantuan scale of death, plunder, and destruction. Oh I get it.... ...all of them 600,000 Union soldiers were lying when they said they were fighting "to preserve the Union", likewise the stated reasons for secession as voiced by the Southerners themselves were, as the author plainly states, meaningless. Heck the war woulda happened anyway even without secession. Flat amazing how Lincoln could pull this off this all by hisself..... Need I quote Goering as to how Lincoln could have pulled that off? As Herr Goering noted, it is always but a simple matter.
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From the link.... Whatever other reasons some of the Southern states might have given for secession is irrelevant to the question of why there was a war. Secession does not necessitate war. Lincoln promised war over tax collection in his first inaugural address. When the Southern states refused to pay his beloved Morrill Tariff at the Southern ports, he kept his promise of “invasion and bloodshed” and waged war on the Southern states. No gangster in the history of the world has ever enforced an extortion racket on such a gargantuan scale of death, plunder, and destruction. Oh I get it.... ...all of them 600,000 Union soldiers were lying when they said they were fighting "to preserve the Union", likewise the stated reasons for secession as voiced by the Southerners themselves were, as the author plainly states, meaningless. Heck the war woulda happened anyway even without secession. Flat amazing how Lincoln could pull this off this all by hisself..... By the way, you've never answered the question as to why my state, after already having decided not to secede did so. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't about slavery.
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