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Buy a 22 conversion kit, and choose your poison.
Same effect with just a lighter bullet.
Or just buy a .22. Or, better yet, a suppressed 9 or .40 or .45.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!
No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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Campfire Kahuna
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We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Campfire Ranger
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My guess, 300 fireball, which I've never heard it referred it.
As I recall the history there was SSK's 300 whisper, and then other companies started to chamber contender barrels and make dies and SSK said the whisper name was trademarked so they called their rounds the 300-221, and then AAC came out with the 300 blackout.
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Jones was at first making his 300 whisper by opening the neck of 221 Remington Fireball brass. Then people had reamers made with different names to not infringe on Jones expensive products patent. Soon found out 223 brass worked great and cheap at that time. 300/221, 300FB
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Campfire Kahuna
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I've herad that forming the brass with 221 fireball nets better accuracy...
I"m having hell with accuracy wiht my 300 whisper, but I'm anal about accuracy... supersonic no issues... I"ve no use for supersonic 300/221 use though.
And I'd sure like it to be repeatable deer accuracy to 200 yards... with 194 lehighs.. have not gotten that far yet. Works to 150 easily though so I should be happy really, but its just me....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I have a J. D. Jones, SSK .300 Whisper upper with a can on a Colt lower with aftermarket trigger. It's way too heavy, IMO.
Shooting subsonic is a pain, as some loads want to pop (go supersonic). I find it hard to stay subsonic and still have an effective load. Just my opinion.
Right now, I'm going to load supersonic rounds with 110, 125, 130 and 150 gr. bullets, as I have a good supply from years of reloading. I also have plenty of H-110, Lil'Gun and 296 to make it work. My Dillon 550B is all set up, ready to go.
the weight is about right minus the can, so I'm not using it.
DF
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Buy a 22 conversion kit, and choose your poison.
Same effect with just a lighter bullet.
Or just buy a .22. Or, better yet, a suppressed 9 or .40 or .45. A good suppressed .22 is pretty cool. I really like this one. DF ![[Linked Image]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/rush2830/IMG_0047.jpg)
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Campfire Kahuna
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I have a J. D. Jones, SSK .300 Whisper upper with a can on a Colt lower with aftermarket trigger. It's way too heavy, IMO.
Shooting subsonic is a pain, as some loads want to pop (go supersonic). I find it hard to stay subsonic and still have an effective load. Just my opinion.
Right now, I'm going to load supersonic rounds with 110, 125, 130 and 150 gr. bullets, as I have a good supply from years of reloading. I also have plenty of H-110, Lil'Gun and 296 to make it work. My Dillon 550B is all set up, ready to go.
the weight is about right minus the can, so I'm not using it.
DF I've killed easily and quickly out to 150 yards with an MV of 900 fps, with 194 lehighs.. they are a game changing bullet. Mind you I've only shot about 10 deer/pigs with them so far, but they have worked from 900 to about 1100 fps... I"m trying to get to a slow enough load that you avoid the unexepected pop now and then, but am not sure if I am there yet or not. The lehighs have always expanded and doubled their diameter. I don't think I"ve had a deer run more than about 80 yards, the last one I shot I was about 30 yards away, and it ran 20 steps appx. The one prior to it I was about 160 yards away and it made it all of about 10 steps before falling over. I will grant you that I usually have pretty decent shot placement and that usually involves a hole in the heart quite often. Though have had some get double lung only... Just FYI. If going supersonic, I'll grab a better round....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Buy a 22 conversion kit, and choose your poison.
Same effect with just a lighter bullet.
Or just buy a .22. Or, better yet, a suppressed 9 or .40 or .45. A good suppressed .22 is pretty cool. I really like this one. DF Too loud. Unless it's set up for sub-sonics. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Rost.
Have you tried the Leheigh's that utilize a .17 cal bullet in the hollow point cavity?
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Buy a 22 conversion kit, and choose your poison.
Same effect with just a lighter bullet.
Or just buy a .22. Or, better yet, a suppressed 9 or .40 or .45. A good suppressed .22 is pretty cool. I really like this one. DF Too loud. Unless it's set up for sub-sonics. Travis Quieter than a pellet gun with sub sonic ammo. The action cycling makes the most noise, a bolt gun would be even quieter. DF
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I have a J. D. Jones, SSK .300 Whisper upper with a can on a Colt lower with aftermarket trigger. It's way too heavy, IMO.
Shooting subsonic is a pain, as some loads want to pop (go supersonic). I find it hard to stay subsonic and still have an effective load. Just my opinion.
Right now, I'm going to load supersonic rounds with 110, 125, 130 and 150 gr. bullets, as I have a good supply from years of reloading. I also have plenty of H-110, Lil'Gun and 296 to make it work. My Dillon 550B is all set up, ready to go.
the weight is about right minus the can, so I'm not using it.
DF I've killed easily and quickly out to 150 yards with an MV of 900 fps, with 194 lehighs.. they are a game changing bullet. Mind you I've only shot about 10 deer/pigs with them so far, but they have worked from 900 to about 1100 fps... I"m trying to get to a slow enough load that you avoid the unexepected pop now and then, but am not sure if I am there yet or not. The lehighs have always expanded and doubled their diameter. I don't think I"ve had a deer run more than about 80 yards, the last one I shot I was about 30 yards away, and it ran 20 steps appx. The one prior to it I was about 160 yards away and it made it all of about 10 steps before falling over. I will grant you that I usually have pretty decent shot placement and that usually involves a hole in the heart quite often. Though have had some get double lung only... Just FYI. If going supersonic, I'll grab a better round.... Good info. I got disgusted and shut it down. Will regroup with supersonics and see how that flies. DF
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Campfire Kahuna
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I have not tried the insert ones. I think they are lighter than the 194s IIRC, and that compounds the problem...
BUT I'm not going to give up.
Bothers me that supersonic the gun is moa easily. Sub it is not.1.5 moa I could live with. 2plus moa bothers me, affects consistent drops and so on.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Campfire Kahuna
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Thumb against the back of the bolt knob works for me,on the 10-22 if needed, but I have a 540X that needs to be threaded..... that will be a joy to shoot sub sonic... trigger tuned down around a pound. Long barrel, accurate with sub sonics...
But the 10-22 has me thinking.. can I find places to put buffers so no metal to metal slamming noises... could get even better...
Now if could put my mits on CCI sub sonic prefrag at about 1050 fps ever again....kills turkeys real dead real quick out to 100 or so which is far as I've pushed it.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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With that pin thru the rear receiver that retains the bolt, works as a bolt stop, you can get a synthetic one. That helps.
DF
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I sold my AR15-22 cause it was too loud and bought a T bolt that was really quiet. Hated a few things about it and sold it, been looking at a CZ but haven't committed yet.
I do however dig my Buckmark and Ruger 22-45 with TacSol barrels. The actions are quiet enough and the short barrels keeps most target ammo subsonic.
Am still thinking on a 6.8 or 300 but doubt either would be what I wanted, seems they are a lot of trouble.
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Campfire Kahuna
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shot a ruger 22 pistol years ago, guy had some device on back to flip up and lock the bolt shut.... was amazing that way.... Looking for a 22/45 threaded right now.... dealer is anyway...
Buddy bought CZ in 22 and 22 mag... likes both very much. But also said savage threaded ones with replacment stocks were not at all bad eitehr.
I was going CZ with change out barrels... and buddy reminded me that 4 guns is better than 1 gun with 4 barrels....
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Campfire Kahuna
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With that pin thru the rear receiver that retains the bolt, works as a bolt stop, you can get a synthetic one. That helps.
DF
Got an idea who? Brownells? Thanks, Jeff
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Campfire Ranger
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I have not tried the insert ones. I think they are lighter than the 194s IIRC, and that compounds the problem...
BUT I'm not going to give up.
Bothers me that supersonic the gun is moa easily. Sub it is not.1.5 moa I could live with. 2plus moa bothers me, affects consistent drops and so on. What barrel length? My buddy had a 300 whisper 9" contender pistol, and it would put three in one ragged hole at 100 yds, as I recall they were the 240 smk's, but it's been a long time since I shot it so not possitive on the bullet and that was with no can. Just wondering if the 16" barrels don't get the powders burning consistantly enough to be accurate subsonic?
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yes, 16 inch, Rem 700 factory, threaded with can.
Lil Gun, as its the quietest supposedly of the powders. Quiet and accurate are what I'm after.
I'm probably an idiot for wanting a 200 yard suppressed gun, but I've been known to be picky...
The 240s and 208 amax shoot well enough in it but they are not a hunting bullet.
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