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Take the inner city hoodrats out of those numbers, and I wonder what that graph would look like?
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Playing that game of pussy footing around what guns are designed for and the purpose of the Second Amendment has gotten us things like the "Sporting Purposes" clause in the NFA.
We should be saying, "You're damned right that ammo will penetrate body armor. I might have to shoot someone in body armor someday." First, making distinctions is not pussyfooting around. It's vital to any agreement on any issue. Second, your words "what guns are designed for and the purpose of the Second Amendment" confuses this issue further. We can probably agree on the purpose of the Second Amendment. However, the purpose of the Second Amendment is related to but not the same as the purpose of a firearm. Third, making distinctions actually supports your right to bear arms. No one will issue a CCW if they ask "Why do you want to carry?" and you say "I might have to kill someone." Fourth, if you refuse to make warranted distinctions, and you have to shoot someone someday, you will be a defense attorney's nightmare. Good luck with that. When armed citizens carry, it's not because they might have to shoot someone. It's because a need may arise where they must protect themselves or someone else. Sometimes the mere presence of a gun accomplishes that. And sometimes, unfortunately, the trigger must be pulled. Countless cases demonstrate that. This comment by RickyD makes clear the distinction between what firearms were designed to do, and what their purpose is. His first sentence is about design. The rest is about purpose: Guns were certainly invented to kill. However, nearly all current gun owners do not buy firearms to kill people. Many or most will use them for that purpose if it means protecting themselves and their loved ones in their homes, property, and places of business. But that potential use is way down the list and one no one ever wishes to occur. I hope you have never bought a firearm for the purpose of killing someone. If you have, and you ever do, you will join Aaron Hernandez. If you believe what a gun is designed for and what a gun's purpose is are the same, every anti-gun liberal will not only agree with you, they will use your words to eliminate guns. The pro-gun position is to say that even though a gun is designed to kill people, God forbid it be used for that purpose. You remind me of the time my liberal ex-brother-in-law asked me what he should do with an old, rusty, worthless rifle. I told him to wait for a gun buy-back in the city where he lived. Six months later I asked him in front of his 12 year old daughter if he ever got rid of the gun. This was the first his daughter knew of it, and she said, "Daddy, did you used to kill people?" Which is exactly what her liberal mother wanted her to believe is the only purpose of guns. Steve. You seem to confuse your purpose with the purposeful design of a gun. Certain firearms are designed to kill. Some are designed to kill people. You may purchase one and carry it with a completely different purpose, but that is YOUR purpose, separate and distinct from the purposeful design of the gun. Your purpose for owning a sword might legitimately be to swing away at a training post for hours on end. But unless the sword is a wooden replica, that was not the purpose of its design.
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Guns are not like cars, but like airbags:
Invisible, unless in use Rarely used Nearly instantaneously available Designed to protect the user from extraneous traumatic injury The aftermath of deployment is usually messy and expensive
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Corolation is not causality . How many guns do you own? How many cars? Figures are just that. The number one dog responsible for bites in the US is the cocker spaniel. Does that mean they are dangerous? No. The number one bit person in the US is groomers. So since spaniels require more grooming that pits, bulldogs, pincers, ect. They, of course, are responsible.
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The purpose of guns is to allow citizens to protect themselves from criminals. Criminals both in and out of the government, Tyrant Obama the Liar and Trayvon Martin.
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You seem to confuse your purpose with the purposeful design of a gun.
Certain firearms are designed to kill. Some are designed to kill people. You may purchase one and carry it with a completely different purpose, but that is YOUR purpose, separate and distinct from the purposeful design of the gun.
Your purpose for owning a sword might legitimately be to swing away at a training post for hours on end. But unless the sword is a wooden replica, that was not the purpose of its design. "Purpose" versus "purposeful design"? Thanks. That post amply demonstrates that you're the one willing to use language to confuse. Steve.
"I was a deerhunter long before I was a man." ~Gene Wensel's Come November (2000) "A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user." ~Theodore Roosevelt
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The purpose of guns is to make the maker/shareholder money.
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You seem to confuse your purpose with the purposeful design of a gun.
Certain firearms are designed to kill. Some are designed to kill people. You may purchase one and carry it with a completely different purpose, but that is YOUR purpose, separate and distinct from the purposeful design of the gun.
Your purpose for owning a sword might legitimately be to swing away at a training post for hours on end. But unless the sword is a wooden replica, that was not the purpose of its design. "Purpose" versus "purposeful design"? Thanks. That post amply demonstrates that you're the one willing to use language to confuse. Steve. Apparently, no language is needed to confuse you.
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The purpose of guns is to make money.
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I would say that guns have many purposes, just to name a few: 1. The protection of life, liberty and property (2nd Amendment stuff, protecting ourselves those who would do steal, murder and rape); 2. Provide food; 3. Deterrence (one of the many reasons Japan never tried to invade mainland USA in WWII was that there would be a armed man behind every door); and 4. Recreation and sport.
Fortunately, we typically only use them for #2 and #4 above, but the mere fact we have them serves to prevent having to use them for #1 and #3 above.
Just my thoughts. I like that. Well said.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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The purpose of guns is to make money. From a manufacturing standpoint, but that's rich coming from someone who can't figure out how to get paid for work done (pun intended). Of course, that leaves out self built firearms, firearms left as an inheritance or a gift, guns sold as a loss, etc. No surprise that you fail to grasp a myriad of concepts.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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We have sporting purposes to make sure only police and military have weapons that are designed and manufactured solely to kill(or at least intimidate) people.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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There are NO dangerous weapons (guns), only dangerous people!!
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Not true because firearms safety legislation for civilians always has strong bipartisan support.
"My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it." - Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn
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Take your responsibilities seriously, never yourself-Ken Howell Proper bullet placement + sufficient penetration = quick, clean kill. Finn Aagard
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He is right. The sole express purpose of many guns is to kill people. No reason to deny it, sugar coat it, or pretend differently. The 2nd Amendment is not about shooting sports or hunting. It is about killing those who need killing in either protection of oneself or checking abusive government power. This!! kwg
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Take the inner city hoodrats out of those numbers, and I wonder what that graph would look like? Yep. I bet the gun death numbers would go down at least 50% if the hood rats factor was removed. Just take a look at the number of murders per capital in Chitcago & DC.
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I would say that guns have many purposes, just to name a few: 1. The protection of life, liberty and property (2nd Amendment stuff, protecting ourselves those who would do steal, murder and rape); 2. Provide food; 3. Deterrence (one of the many reasons Japan never tried to invade mainland USA in WWII was that there would be a armed man behind every door); and 4. Recreation and sport.
Fortunately, we typically only use them for #2 and #4 above, but the mere fact we have them serves to prevent having to use them for #1 and #3 above.
Just my thoughts. I like that. Well said. Allow me to condense. A gun is nothing but a tool, and like any tool, it's "purpose" is to make a task easier to accomplish. Not every job that a gun enables is noble, but like any other tool, the user is solely responsible for what it does.
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